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What can expats expect regarding visa regulations in Thailand as of December 2025?
Arrived in Bangkok 11 December
This is not something I dreamed up.
Previous retirement visa but COVID and a death in the family screwed that up. So in
November 2024 Visa exempt with 30 day extention. Left the country for a week and back from Vientiane to get another Visa exempt and left before the 60 days in April 2025. That entry did raise a few eyebrows and required input of a senior IO but nothing was said. That was the only visa run done.
For the record, no over stays or any other issues in 35 odd years. A clean slate as far as I am aware.
On arrival got taken out the queue to the immigration office. Had to fill out a Passenger Information Form and was told I needed a Wife visa. The IO supervisor, firm but polite, wanted to see Baht 20,000 CASH, marriage certificate 35 years married to a Thai, wife ID card and a ticket out of Thailand. I had a genuine reservation to Ho Chi Ming city, thought that might be helpful.
I was given a 60 day visa exempt and TOLD in no uncertain terms to get the correct visa. I doubt if a 30 day extension will be given
On a side note there was another Brit who seemed to have been stopped for visa "irregularities" and told to return to the UK. When he asked if he could buy a ticket to Loas he was told no, go back to the UK.
There were at least 6 others in the office, the one where seniors over 70 can fast track, being interviewed.
So there will be two types people that will read this.
1. Those who think this will not happen to them and continue to think visa exempt is the way to long term stays. Your entitlement will be your undoing.
2. Those that will take on my experience and be prepared. I honestly believed that the ticket to Vietnam saved me from being sent back to the UK.
So why did not get the correct visa before coming. I have been trying to get funds out of a fund run by STM Malta, useless company, for 4 months. They keep changing the goal posts.
Far too many posts thinking this is a joke it is not. Long term stays require a visa.
This is not something I dreamed up.
Previous retirement visa but COVID and a death in the family screwed that up. So in
November 2024 Visa exempt with 30 day extention. Left the country for a week and back from Vientiane to get another Visa exempt and left before the 60 days in April 2025. That entry did raise a few eyebrows and required input of a senior IO but nothing was said. That was the only visa run done.
For the record, no over stays or any other issues in 35 odd years. A clean slate as far as I am aware.
On arrival got taken out the queue to the immigration office. Had to fill out a Passenger Information Form and was told I needed a Wife visa. The IO supervisor, firm but polite, wanted to see Baht 20,000 CASH, marriage certificate 35 years married to a Thai, wife ID card and a ticket out of Thailand. I had a genuine reservation to Ho Chi Ming city, thought that might be helpful.
I was given a 60 day visa exempt and TOLD in no uncertain terms to get the correct visa. I doubt if a 30 day extension will be given
On a side note there was another Brit who seemed to have been stopped for visa "irregularities" and told to return to the UK. When he asked if he could buy a ticket to Loas he was told no, go back to the UK.
There were at least 6 others in the office, the one where seniors over 70 can fast track, being interviewed.
So there will be two types people that will read this.
1. Those who think this will not happen to them and continue to think visa exempt is the way to long term stays. Your entitlement will be your undoing.
2. Those that will take on my experience and be prepared. I honestly believed that the ticket to Vietnam saved me from being sent back to the UK.
So why did not get the correct visa before coming. I have been trying to get funds out of a fund run by STM Malta, useless company, for 4 months. They keep changing the goal posts.
Far too many posts thinking this is a joke it is not. Long term stays require a visa.
Answer summary
The post describes a recent experience of an expat arriving in Bangkok and encountering issues with visa requirements. The individual, who has a long-standing history of residency in Thailand, was told upon arrival that they needed a marriage visa due to their Thai spouse. Although they provided a flight reservation to Vietnam as evidence of intent to leave, they were only granted a 60-day visa exemption and warned to obtain the correct visa. The discussion highlights the stricter enforcement of immigration rules, particularly for visa-exempt entries, and the importance of complying with the current visa regulations to avoid complications.
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Mark *********
This was supposed to happen decades ago but didn't then. When you look at the quality of the person arriving for a free visa on arrival these days, it's no surprise that finally the government is cracking down.
Todd *********
You have a THAI WIFE ffs. Obviously you are not a tourist.
Farang *********
OP@Todd ********
sorry BS. I have no property, no job in Thailand, I come to relax and visit Thailand. I spend the majority of the year in my home country. That is what tourists do. Having a wife has nothing to do with it.
As you say Retired and embracing the f**k out of it.
Tourist - a person who travels and visits places for pleasure and interest.
Todd *********
@Farang ********
unfortunately for you… immigration doesn’t see it your wayTodd *********
@Farang ********
your history is clearly not indicative of any problem at all! I can only guess there is something they don’t like about the Thai spouse and no marriage visa? Interesting. Very strange they wouldn’t give a reason.
Not me either. Marked safe for next decade so never have to deal with immigration at all
Farang *********
OP@Todd ********
so one visa entry in 2024 and one previous entry in 2025. No violation history. There are people on this site that make more in one year than I in two in including over stays.I was not given a reason. May be one to make the numbers.
But it is not I who need help.
Todd *********
@Farang ********
yes, just another barrier. The irony of your comment is that immigration clearly sees you as one of those 'a-holes'. If you can wrap your head around that, it might guide your next steps in a positive wayFarang *********
OP@Todd ********
true but just another barrier to cross. But still a tourist. Sadly for me its all the a holes, may be you, who abuse the system. You see them asking questions on this Facebook page.
Jo **********
@Todd ********
in some cases yesTodd *********
@Jo *********
fair enough, but if he has a history of marriage visas, it shines a bright light for immigration officersFarang *********
OP@Todd ********
I do not.
Annette ************
35 years without having to put money in the bank or pay for a proper Visa, lucky you!
Been here 10 and had money in bank from day one, instead of "working the system" .
Been here 10 and had money in bank from day one, instead of "working the system" .
Raymond *********
That's called being smart and upu sleep better at night
Annette ************
@Raymond ********
indeed I do and I get no hassle ever coming in and out of the country during the holidays, or indeed when I extend or transfer info to new passport as last week, that was needed.As I once heard as a piece of advice: "come and live here by all means, but stick to the rules and you will be fine! "
And that was from a Thai 🙏
Raymond *********
@Annette ***********
again, it's called being smart. A good advise can come from anywhere or anyone. We all came to Thailand for different reasons but we are all guests in this country. I would never tolerate anybody making à run around my house rules, it's just commun sense that I would not in someone else's house/country
Collywobble **********
@Annette ***********
he may have had a "proper" visa before but with the hassle of online did not any longer and has spent huge amount of money over the yearsRaymond *********
Many will not agree with me but I don't care. As far as I am concernant, you are preaching to the quire.
Point one : it is their God given right to be .... thai IO don't have to explain ,discuss or negotiate thai laws. They may have done it 70 times, doesn't mean it will work again but it's their right to try it. American's have a saying about their farmer's situation FAFI.
Point 2. In french we call it : une vérité de Lapalisse, like saying the sky is blue
Point one : it is their God given right to be .... thai IO don't have to explain ,discuss or negotiate thai laws. They may have done it 70 times, doesn't mean it will work again but it's their right to try it. American's have a saying about their farmer's situation FAFI.
Point 2. In french we call it : une vérité de Lapalisse, like saying the sky is blue
Jean ************
I had 2 choice in immigration office go back home in within 7 day or visa retirement I take the second one $$$ That was my second entry
Nev ********
We had the same thing happen about a year ago now, told very politely by senior IO to get long term visa , let us in . We got the OA visa and very happy we did given current situation.
Mark *********
I think another point is to make sure that your wider eco-system accords with the "facts" you claim. I've just done the simple Facebook search that Immigration can and do undertake. The entries scream out that the guy involved (not the poster here) is a long-term resident. It takes 2 minutes max to work that out. Why not get the correct visa? Equally why not get any visa? Admittedly from the armchair, I see a pattern that visa exempt is the flash point infinitely more than tourist visas.
Farang *********
OPCollywobble **********
@Mark ********
for old people online visa application is problemmaticMark *********
@Collywobble *********
Tell me! But everything is going online, globally and in Thailand Government is pushing. Unbelievably for this country Government systems are beginning to be joined up. It can't be long before personal taxation and immigration are joined fully. However, the problem is that Thailand is generally weak on ICT, so whether systems work is another matter - instance all the problems with 90-Day reporting online.Collywobble **********
@Mark ********
and the UK wants digital ID ....and "they " want to get rid of cash...it's all about control.....
Ivan ************
@Ma**
I'm going to guess that "Farang Walking" isn't the name in his passport that immigration will know to search Facebook for.Mark *********
@Ivan ***********
True, but most don't take even the most elementary precautions. And, as said, the reference was not the poster here.
Luke *********
Dot the I's and cross the Ts.
Jo **********
so it’s important to understand the history of 2025 you were last in Thailand in April 2025? And you were out of Thailand for 6 months before returning? If this is the case how they treated you is extremely unreasonable
Graham ******
@Jo *********
the fact that the OP qualified for a marriage Non-O (and possibly retirement) did not helpFarang *********
OP@Graham *****
my problem I needed to top up my bank account and the money was with STM in Malta and have made it difficult access and 4 months on might get it in the new year.Jay ************
@Graham *****
, I'm just curious, if I want to be retired in another country, but I want to spend 3 to 5 months in Thailand, relaxing on the beaches, traveling around the country, and I'm 68 years old, and both my Filipina wife and I love Thailand, but are going to be retired in the Philippines, why do we have to apply for a retirement visa just because we are of retirement age?Jay ************
@Graham *****
, so would you consider what I would like to do, but am now getting worried my wife and I will not be able to do, is considered tourist holidaying?Graham ******
@Jay ***********
No not if your visits are not too long so you behave like a tourist holidayingJo **********
@Graham *****
understand but if your not in the country for 7 months a visa should not be necessaryFarang *********
OP@Jo *********
that's about it. But hey their rules
Henry *********
Did you have the 20,000 cash on you?
Farang *********
OP@Henry ********
yes. After reading this site ensured I did. Had Baht, Euros, US, and Pounds. He did not count it but just saw the wad of notesJay ************
@Farang ********
, I guess, as much as I hate carrying around a bunch of cash, if I continue to decide to travel to Thailand, I'll start having to do the same. My only issue is sometimes I head to Vietnam first, then come to Thailand. So that means I will have to carry around in my backpack or something the additional amount of $600+ USD for a month with me, because what use is it in leaving Vietnam with $600 worth of Vietnamese Dong. Usually, the first country I arrive in, I trade in my cash for their currency, then the rest of my travels I just use my ATM card and take cash out. It's disappointing that these countries want you to show up with a certain amount of money in your pocket, just waiting to be ripped off by a pickpocket, or someone else in a month or two of travel, before you even get to Thailand.Jay ************
@Farang ********
, I wish, if countries are going to make it a requirement to have a certain amount of cash on hand, that they had ATM machines before immigration so you could just get the cash there. I know most people don't like to pay ATM fees, and would rather carry cash, but I have two financial institutions I invest and bank with that refund me all ATM charges at the end of each month that are charged through the local banks, and both institutions have zero ATM charges on their end.Farang *********
OP@Jay ***********
yes, I agree I thought there used to be ATMs before immigration but I guess they have gone along duty free.
Marcus ************
They are dead set on killing tourism in this country.
David ********
@Marcus ***********
no. They just don't want people speaking like you. There is other thousand new tourists coming each year.
Adrian ******
@Marcus ***********
not tourism if you keep doingFarang *********
OP@Adrian *****
what is not tourism of you keep doing? Doing what?
Robbie ********
@Rick ********
, duh!!!!
John *******
@Marcus ***********
They are not tourists.Rick *********
@Marcus ***********
it’s not effecting tourism it’s stamping out the rule breakers, do you think regular tourists stay over 60 days and do boarder runs 🤷♂️Robbie ********
@Rick ********
, if you follow the Thailand laws to a tee, say last year you could stay up to 180 days a year what laws have you broken ? You stayed the amount of time the Thailand law allowed so you broke no laws. If Thailand don’t want people to stay for the whole amount of time they offer then why in hell do they offer that amount of time in country to start with. Makes no sense at all.Fred ******
@Robbie *******
You make a good point. The problem is these are not laws. Just some random rules the person currently running immigration pulls out of his ass. The current one is extemely xenaphobic and anti-western. This whole mess started with Chinese scam call centers on the Cambodian and Myanmar borders. Of course the solution is going after western tourists. The most idiodic part of this if Chinese criminals need to be in Thailand for whatever reason they just get a non-imigrant Visa. Damage your tourism revenue for absolutely nothing.Rick *********
@Robbie *******
I’ve been coming to Thailand for over 20 years you used to get 30 visa exempt and a 15 day stamp if you did a border run but it’s irrelevant you need to follow the rules/laws as they are now not as they were 🙏Robbie ********
@Rick ********
, I’ll say again Thailand laws were put into place by Thailand. Last year you could stay in country for 60 days on a visa exemption get a 30 day extension do a border run and start the process all over again for a total of 180 days a year by Thailand law. It was Thailand law not made up Thailand set that law. Now if you try and go back in after a year now they all of a sudden they come up with this 150 days only and are trying to use that against people who stayed in Thailand for 180 days last year but it was there law that they created. If Thailand only wants people to stay in country for Two weeks then why do they over the 60 days exemption and a 30 day extension. It’s totally BS. You follow the law according to Thailand policy and then you get punished for it. That’s some crazy crap.Rick *********
@Robbie *******
I’ll say again you can stay as long as you like as long as you get the correct visa, what’s hard to understand, the boarder runs have always been a grey area now there just clamping downFred ******
@Rick ********
It sure is going cause a loss of a lot of lost tourist dollars. There is a category of tourist that travel for extended periods of time and have no desire to live in Thailand. This is the reason for the 60 day exemption and the reason EU, Malaysia and Taiwan etc have 90 day visa exempt. They are also "high value" at the higher end of the spending range. They also travel around the country and not over-crowd a few spots like the chinese tour groups and western tourists on a two week trip. If they want to cut the abuse, just set a max number of days to 150 which I understand is also a new rule. Easy.
Pe ****
@Fred *****
You say “Thailand has […] a limit of two visa exempt entries”. What is the time period over which these two 60+30 visits are allowed?If your answer is “per calendar year” I have personal experience that this is not the case.
I entered visa-exempt 2024 (my first visit in 20 years). Entry no problem. 60+30.
I then came again in 2025 and was almost denied entry at Suvarnabhumi airport. IO didn’t want to let me in, she called her supervisor and he took pity on me (I had no idea I needed a visa for this second visit, and in a different calendar year, too) and let me in, but warned me to get a visa next time.
If your answer is “12 months since your last departure” then this might explain why I had difficulty entering the second time.
Rick *********
@Fred *****
I’m sure Thailand will be gutted at the loss 🤣Fred ******
@Rick ********
I have no issue with visa exemption rules at all. As I have already stated I am perfectly happy to use Malaysia as a base. Thailand looses, Malaysia (or other country) wins and I really don't care which country gets my money.Rick *********
@Fred *****
It is of no consequence that you have issue with the visa exemption rules the fact is it’s their country and their rules 🙏Fred ******
@John *********
The rules are clear as stated. Misinformation from these senile "waiting to die" idiots that there are no rules is not helpful to anyone.
John **********
@Fred *****
you quote the guidelines given to immigration officers as to how to deal with persistent border bouncers. The rules do not define any limits for visa exempt entries, nor any limits for extensions other than the standard 30 days. So all one can do is take a view as to whether or not a visa is required, either that or wait and see what the immigration officer says when one stands in front of themFarang *********
OPFred Aker but it does not. I had one 60 day exempt for both 2024 and 2025.
60+30, the 60+30, then 7 is 187 days. You then are a tax resident which they are trying to hide.
60+30, the 60+30, then 7 is 187 days. You then are a tax resident which they are trying to hide.
Fred ******
@John *********
The thing is your view is completely irrelevent. Thailand has set the policy there is a limit of two visa exempt entries each with 60 days and one 30 day extension and one 7 day extension. So a maximum 157 days. If you don't like the rules here then go to another country.Farang *********
OPFred Aker i had one in 2024 and one in 2025. Down to the IO
John **********
@Fred *****
theres nothing wrong with coming for 90 days on visa exempt, but trying to repeat that in short order is the problem. For any normal tourist that is more than enough time, then they go back home. Anything more than that is an extended stay in my view and people should get an appropriate visa.Fred ******
@Rick ********
I don't want to stay longer. The current Visa exempt option is perfectly fine with me. The issue I have is the limit of two Visa exempt entries which simply can be solved by using Malaysia as my base for visting other countries in the region. And we are back to my original statement that tourism will be damaged as most tourists want to visit other countries as an add-on to a trip to Thailand.Rick *********
@Fred *****
so if you want to stay longer get the correct visa I don’t see what’s so difficult 🤷♂️Fred ******
@Rick ********
I fall into this category and know many others.Fred ******
@John *********
What is "short term tourism" and what is "extended stay". The 60 days visa exempt with a 30 days extention was created to accomodate more wealthy tourists that have more freedom to travel.John **********
@Fred *****
visa exempt is intended for short term tourism. If you want to spend an extended time in Thailand get the correct visaRick *********
@Fred *****
I’d like to see some evidence to support your claims otherwise it’s just an opinionFarang *********
OP@Rick ********
well I did one!Jay ************
@Farang ********
, I would ask everyone on these threads, why would Thailand give you a 60 day visa free entry, and a 30 day extension, and then come back for another 60 days, when the country allows that, then have issues when someone does that? Why don't you start in again on me, Peter, too, about me not wanting to carry around 20k in my pocket while I travel all around the area. If Thailand is going to make it so hard to enter, I'll just stay with my Filipina wife of 20+ years in the Philippines, and go to Malaysia, Vietnam, and Singapore where they aren't making it nearly as hard as Thailand is. And then, Peter, gives me some more crap about being superior. You, Farang Walking, have a different situation than I do, being married to a Thai woman, but I'm not understanding why, if you were just coming for a bit, you are being hassled in trying to just enter with a Visa Free stamp? I also am aware I should have my 20k in my pocket, but that's the risk I'm taking by not carrying it on me, I hate carrying that kind of cash anywhere.
These guys have all laid into me on another post about that one, calling me basically broke, etc. I am a retired union electrician from the US with over 30 years in the union, with a good pension, social security, a pretty decent 401k, and they tell me go back to eating at McDonalds, all while telling me I think I am superior to them because I choose not to carry a lot of money in my wallet...I am sorry for the rant. Unfortunately, I'm considering exiting these forums because of the nastiness these people answer other people's replies, etc, on here. I'm sure Peter, or one of these other people on here will now tell me to fuck off or something similar.
Jay ************
@Farang ********
, that guy, Peter, is pretty much an asshole on every post.Farang *********
OP@Peter *****
did not read the original post did you. I said I was not concerned and did not complain. The IOs did their job. I will correct it and get a different visa.
You cannot solve your problem
Peter ******
@Farang ********
yes look at me I'm so smug, until you get refused entry, then it's whah whah whah !Fred ******
@Farang ********
EU rules are very clear. 60 days in a rolling 180 day period. No limit on the number of entries. You will get a lot of sqawking from the senile old gits... "not a tourist" or "their rules" or "get the correct visa". Unfortunately, their caregivers have not explained the context of the thread. So more like random farts in the wind.Rick *********
@Farang ********
the O-visa is a 90day non immigration visa it’s the one I’m on at the moment I plan on extending based on marriage in the new year, hope you get sorted 🙏👍Farang *********
OP@Rick ********
yeah, but it was the cash requirement which is now resolved. So off to immigration to register and ask a few questions. Should be cleared up shortly. I believe the wife visa the the IO told me to get is an O-visaRick *********
@Farang ********
you can enter Thailand as many times as you like on the correct visaFred ******
@Rick ********
You seem to have a bizare idea people only take 2-3 week holidays. I have never taken less than 5 weeks with banked hours and extended leave. I am not even from Europe where starting at 4 weeks is the norm.Farang *********
OP@Rick ********
well retired, no job, no intention of getting a job, no intention involving my self in any activity financial to earn cash, live in my own country most of the year and travel when not in my own. So you seem to know. But if I were to visit any country more than once does that make me a tourist or a resident. Better tell my son I can no longer visit him in the EU.The bottom line is what are you doing whilst in a country. However if you are in a country for more than 180 days you are a resident. I am in my home country for longer than that. My home country is not Thailand
Rick *********
@Farang ********
and would you class yourself as a regular tourist, ie 2 to 3 week holiday 🤔
Dennis *********
@Rick ********
lots of people travel extensively when they reach financial independence. When I cruised across the Pacific I met so many people that all they do is travel. Thailand making it more difficult will see a reduction in tourists as the stories start leaking — I’ve already seen two stories calling for clarification from Thai Immigration.
Farang *********
OP@Rick ********
i agree. I will push the limits but honestly compared to others and only one border run to my name!!! Thats life, will deal with it.Rick *********
@Dennis ********
there is a black and white limit it’s now being enforced and the border bouncers don’t like it 😂Fred ******
@Dennis ********
You are spot on with the idiotic "correct visa" non-sense. You are 100% correct about clear communication being required. Even the hotel association in Thailand is calling for clear rules. The big problem is there are people in Thai govenment that understand there are different kind of tourists and at the same time have a uneducated xenaphobic running the immigration department. Who also sqawks the idiotic "Anyone staying more than two weeks is not a tourist and is a criminal". Really all this non-sense started with scammer call centers on the border with Cambodia and Myanmar. So Immigration decided to go after western tourists. The stupidity is mind boggling.Rick *********
@Marcus ***********
all I’m saying is it’s there country follow the rules get the correct visa or leaveMarcus ************
@Rick ********
you’re talking a lot of smack that you don’t know anything about. Figures from the UK. Have a good day blokeDennis *********
@Rick ********
so WTF IS visa free entry for? Why have 30 day extension possible? Why is there no specific limit allowed in black and white for amount of days allowed in Thailand? Stop with the correct visa nonsense because two similar tourists coming into Thailand and one gets entry while other is denied. Thailand will suffer as these stories grow on the internet and in the media.
I could honestly care less what they do. Fewer tourists means less crowded and more competition for my disposable money
Rick *********
@Dennis ********
then get the correct visa if you want to stay long term it’s not rocket science, my wife had to get the correct visa to enter the UK and it cost a lot more than Thailand
Frank ******
Don't you worry about that
Marcus ************
@Frank *****
just passively observing. Amusing actually.
Randy ********
I’ll add to this ie; Bangkok immigration office (for extensions)
I was at Lak Si getting my extension yesterday and the amount of people only offered the 7 days was insane. The majority of them that I seen refused the 7 days. Also, I’m there very often and this was the least amount of people I’ve ever seen in the 10+ years of using these offices. I would say only about 20% of the old ways. They are going to lose a lot of money with these lack of extensions.
I was at Lak Si getting my extension yesterday and the amount of people only offered the 7 days was insane. The majority of them that I seen refused the 7 days. Also, I’m there very often and this was the least amount of people I’ve ever seen in the 10+ years of using these offices. I would say only about 20% of the old ways. They are going to lose a lot of money with these lack of extensions.
IndigoJa********
Good informative post .
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