What are my options for visas after my Tourist TR Visa expires in Thailand?

Feb 3, 2023
2 years ago
Richard *********
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Just received my Tourist TR Visa from the Royal Thai Embassy, Washington. I am American over 50, with pension and modest monies to meet any Visa option I have read.

Date Visa granted 01 February 2023, must be used by 30 July 2023. Length of stay in Thailand 60 days. Travel is Multiple.

I arrive Chiang Mai around 10am on March 1st, and have room booked for 1st day, then booking Green Bus too Chiang Rai and then have another hotel booked for three more nights. Plan to select longer term lodging.

Have Thai friend meeting me in Chiang Rai, going to help me open bank account so I can work on getting the 800k Baht started for the two months required to qualify for retirement annual Visa.

What are some of my options for Visas? I am already studying Thai and would be fine with taking Thai language lessons for Education Visa, or should I just apply for annual retirement Visa Type and is one better or easier than another.

How long can this visa be stretch out? Can I get it extended at immigration or would boarder run be needed?

Thank in advance for considerate responses.
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The user has received a Tourist TR Visa for Thailand and is inquiring about options for visa extensions and the possibility of transitioning to a retirement visa. They plan to arrive in Chiang Mai and have accommodation in Chiang Rai, where they will seek assistance in opening a Thai bank account necessary for the non-O retirement visa application, which requires maintaining 800,000 Baht in the account. Responses highlight that a multi-entry tourist visa allows for significant stay time through careful timing of border runs, and advice suggests pursuing the retirement visa rather than an education visa due to challenges associated with age requirements and bureaucracy.
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Daniel ************
non o - retired - 800k thb on bank and thats it
Jamie *************
How long did processing of your application take ? I'm a u.s. citizen too, and have been waiting almost 2 weeks already with my application still saying "processing"
Brandon ************
@Jamie ************
you have to say which embassy in the US because if he didn't use the same embassy his answer won't matter to you
John ********
@Brandon ***********
there is only one Thai embassy in the USA and it’s in Washington. You might not know the difference between a consulate and embassy. Anyway it’s all online now
Brandon ************
@John *******
my point still stands that you can only compare the timing between the same office. So if the op was not using the same office as the person asking the question, the answer wouldn't be relevant. And since the official Thai embassy in Washington DC calls all jurisdiction of the other offices as "embassy" I'm justified in using the terminology.

It may be online but it's still processed by one of the 4 Thai consulates in the US based on where you reside.
Jamie *************
@Brandon ***********
ironically enough, I just got my approval email a couple minutes after I commented 🤣☺️
ธารา ********
ED visas are hard to do reentry with since the system is being badly abused right now with scam schools. Just get a retirement visa, it makes reentry easy.
Richard *********
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@Chana *******
thank you for the warning...
Brandon ************
Let's start with the first thing, your current visa. A multi-entry tourist visa is good for 6 months from the day it is issued, as you've seen. Every time you enter Thailand before the visa expires, you will be stamped in for 60 days. You can then get a 30 day extension from your local immigration office.

If you time things correctly, you can get almost 9 months out of this single visa.

Enter the first time and do 60+30, do a border bounce by land or air and re-enter Thailand and get 60+30, just before the expiration date of your visa do a final border bounce for another 60+30.

You may not need all of this time, but you paid your $200 for your multi-entry visa, so why not use it? Also the visa you have is really good for if you want to visit a lot of places around Thailand but use it as your home base. Go for a week/weekend to Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, etc.

You may run into trouble trying to open a bank account on a tourist visa, but as you know this is the first step in making the transition to a retirement visa.

You'll need to get 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account in your name only. And if you plan to do the conversion from tourist visa to Non-O visa inside the country, you'll also need to be able to show that this money was transferred into Thailand from overseas. This specific requirement is only needed for the initial conversion to the 90 day non-O visa and is not required for subsequent 1 year extensions. You only need to show the money for the extensions, not where it came from.

After your tourist visa runs our you can look at other options like ED, but here's no reason to do any of that if you already have the money in place for the retirement non-O which is the biggest item. It has also become a little difficult to get an Education visa if you are over 50 sometimes.
Steve *******
@Brandon ***********
I have read on these forums that even if you are granted a METV visa it is still possible to be denied entry at the border? I’m not saying this applies here, but what if you had a lot of prior tourist visas and extensions? Why would the grant the visa at the embassy if they were just going to deny at the border? Doesn’t sound right to me lots of misinformation on here.
Brandon ************
@Steve ******
it's always possibly to be denied entry at the border no matter what visa you have, just like every country. The immigration officer you are speaking to has the discretion to deny entry. Why would the embassy care? They got their money already. The normal cautions apply about entering if you have a lot of red flags, but generally having a visa leads to less problems.
Steve *******
Thank you. Very helpful.
Richard *********
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@Brandon ***********
Hello, Brandon, I was thinking it was better than it sounded when received the email of approval, but had no clue how much better until I read your respond. The $200 was a surprise but after all the work I just paid it. Thank you so much for explaining it to me, and now I think I mostly understand it. Now I am so much more looking forward to my possibly semi permanent trip to Thailand. FYI: I read your response 4 time then copied and pasted it to myself in a email. Additional question is how soon can I go to immigration to get the 30 day extension? I booked a trip somewhere close just because I needed a exit ticket, that will likely be my first renewal. Thanks again!!!
Brandon ************
@Richard ********
here is a list of common requirements for the 30 day tourist extension. Different offices may have slightly different requirements.
Richard *********
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@Brandon ***********
Hello
@Brandon ***********
, I am having a terrific time here in Chiang Rai, and have three Thai friends who will help me when I ask. I would like your advice on the process for ultimately getting retirement visa.
Brandon ************
@Richard ********
you need to go to your local immigration office and apply. As long as you're over 50 and have at least 14-21 days left on your current stay you can convert to non-O visa inside Thailand.

You'll need to show them you have 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account in your name only when you apply as well. Those are the biggest requirements. The others vary from office to office.
Richard *********
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@Brandon ***********
very impressed with such a fast response, enter on the keyboard sent last post before I was finished. I have met someone in person in Chiang Rai I know from YouTube video which is mostly involved with Chiang Rai. His Thai wife offers assisting in opening bank account and getting retirement visa. Thai wife offers hourly assistance such as drivers license for 400 Baht per hours (pick you up and drive you and help with inside), and a package deal for 20K Baht for assistance opening bank account including sponsorship, 90 day visa conversion to another type requiring 1 day 800K Baht monies in Thai bank account and then switching to annual retirement visa. 400 Baht per hour is a little less than $12.00 per hours, so while feels high initially might be reasonable. 20K Baht is under $600 and if it makes things easy potentially monies well spent. Would like your opinion on here and a quick phone call if you would not mind.
Brandon ************
@Richard ********
to each their own. If you feel more comfortable having someone else walk you through it the first time then it might be worth it. It's become quite difficult to open a bank account if you're not already on the non-O visa so that aspect may be useful.
Brandon ************
@Richard ********
most offices allow you to apply for an extension when you have 30 days or less left on your existing stamp. The time will be added to the end so there's no reason to wait until the last minute, unless you think you might take a trip out of the country first, then it would be a waste of money to pay for the extension if you're going to leave and 60 days again on entry.
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