What is the best visa option for traveling back and forth to Thailand while considering retirement residency?

Nov 8, 2023
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Ruth *******
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Ok, I have a bit of an odd question.

I am currently in Thailand on my first extension. I will be leaving less than two weeks into it then returning for a few weeks then leaving again. No, I’ve not been trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa, but I have been exploring SE Asia to see where I might want to live.

I will be returning to the States, where I’m a citizen, for less than two weeks just after Christmas. I plan to then return. I think at that point it would be best to start the retirement visa process even though I’m still uncertain if I will land in Thailand permanently.

Given that I don’t plan to be in the States very long, does anyone have advice as to how to apply for a visa? It seems I need to wait until I return to apply for the tourist visa and that the time it takes could be longer than the time I’m there. Am I correct in that assumption? Do I need to be in the States to receive it or could I be traveling elsewhere (such as be making a stopover in Japan)? I also wondered if going to Phnom Pehn en route back to Bangkok might be an option, but it’s not an ideal solution. I’ll be traveling with refrigerated medication which has proved challenging in some hotels. One other option would be to get the visa in Cambodia before going to the States, but I don’t know how long the visa is valid.

Any advice is appreciated. I’m a full-time traveler and would prefer not to just sit around waiting for a visa.

TYIA

Update: I really am a tourist, even once I move to Thailand. I will be doing a lot of travel in and out of Thailand even once I get this resolved, so being able to continue to do so will be critical as well. Amongst other things, I have some commitments in Singapore as well as simply wanting to visit other areas in SE Asia. Thanks.
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The inquiry revolves around finding a suitable visa option for someone who frequently travels to Thailand while contemplating a retirement visa. The poster is currently on their first extension of a tourist visa and is unsure whether to apply for a retirement visa while in the U.S. or during subsequent travels. Community members provided insights on types of visas, application processes, re-entry permits, and the possibility of applying for a retirement visa online or from neighboring countries like Cambodia.
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Dianne *****
If you are only leaving Thailand for a couple of weeks while your visa exemption is still valid you can purchase a re-entry permit for 1000 baht at immigration to keep your stamp "alive" so that you come back in with permission to stay until your extension stamp was due to end. That might not be enough time in Thailand for you, but it would likely allow you enough time to do a land border run which will get you another 30 days in Thailand and which can be extended by a further 30 days. This is less likely to cause you problems or questions such as you might encounter flying into either of the Bangkok airports on a visa exempt entry. You are permitted 2 land border crossings per calendar year. You can't be refused re-entry doing a border run this way as immigration staff at the border wont let you leave if you can't get back in. Or if you are wanting more time in Thailand you could travel to the Thai consulate of a neighbouring country (Laos is easiest) and apply for a single entry tourist visa. Most Thai embassies in neighbouring countries (except Savanaket in Laos) require an appointment and will require proof of equivalent to 20,000 baht in a bank account over the previous 3 months. Check the websites of the embassy you plan to visit, for the requirements and any upcoming public holidays and office holidays. Applying for a single entry tourist visa at a neighbouring Embassy is usually a 3 day process (except for Savanaket which is still 2 days) ie lodge your application on the morning of day 1, pick it up on the afternoon of day 3. You mentioned that you planned to visit Singapore, you could consider flying directly into Singapore before Thailand and applying for your single entry tourist visa there giving you 60 days in Thailand when you enter, which can be extended at immigration for an additional 30 days. During that 90 day period you can exit and re-enter Thailand to visit other countries if you also apply for a re-entry permit at immigration in Thailand; 1000 baht for one re-entry or 3800 baht for multiple re-entries within that 90 days of your visa plus extension validity. Unless you are going to exit and re-enter more than 3 times in that 90 day period it is probably best to just buy single re-entry permits as you need them. You can also buy them at the airport just before you leave Thailand but they cost a little more and often the desk is unmanned and you have to find someone to do it for you. Personally I prefer to pop into immigration ahead of travel and purchase a re-entry permit there.

A Multiple Entry tourist visa applied for within your own country still might be the best option for you if you're not feeling ready to bring 800K baht to Thailand. A multiple entry tourist visa can give you 9 months in Thailand if you exit and re-enter just before the expiry date. You could exit and re-enter as many times as you want in that first 6 months of that visa ensured that you will get a stamp for 60 days in Thailand each time you re-enter. The financial requirement proof required for that visa is about
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of the retirement visa, but does not require that you move a single dollar to Thailand. Neither is there any requirement to purchase Thai health insurance
Ruth *******
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@Dianne ****
Thank you for your very thorough response. I’m not sure why you would think I would have any problem returning to Thailand after my trip to Singapore. My current stay, which will be a total of 39 days, is my only stay since Jan 2020. I don’t see any reason why immigration would have a problem with my returning for another 30 days (I’m actually staying for slightly less). A border run would be a lot of trouble for that goal.

I was considering the multiple entry visa upon my return, however:

1) Because I plan to do more travel than every 60 days, I’m afraid it may end up being more wasteful than other options

2) I don’t see it as an option on the embassy website for some reason

3) I thought I had read that it was no longer available, which I thought explained #2, so I’ve been confused by what the status is…I haven’t worried too much about it due to #1.

The 60 day single entry + 30 day extension while purchasing the multiple entries sounds like it may be useful, but not until I return in January. I didn’t even know that was an option. I was planning to be here longer than 90 days, but I also plan to go to other countries for long enough that I might be able to make that work. Thanks.
Dianne *****
@Ruth ******
The multiple entry tourist visa is still available, sometimes it is not clear on an embassy website as most people choose the single entry option, but when you look at the visa application form it should come up as an option. Perhaps it is only available at some embassies in your home country and not at all. Even though you get 60 days on every entry you don't have to stay the full 60 days each time, you can stay 10 days, 20 days, 30 days or whatever amount of time that you like in between trips outside of Thailand in that 6 months. Upon re-entering each time you will get another 60 day stamp. The main advantage is that you can get 9 months stay out of it popping in and out of Thailand without needing to transfer large amounts of money to Thailand or having to buy insurance. And you are right, entering Thailand visa exempt shouldn't be a problem given your lack of recent back to back visas. When my son visited last year he said his plane from Australia was met by immigration officials who divided the passengers into two groups, those with visas and those coming in visa exempt. Those coming in visa exempt were quizzed as to why they didn't have a visa. It was no problem for him as like you he hadn't been living in Thailand on back to back tourist visas and extensions. You could do a visa run a couple of times visiting a couple of neighbouring countries/embassies thus giving yourself 180 days in Thailand 60 + 30 then another 60 + 30.. That still seems acceptable to immigration when you re-enter Thailand. You could do one single entry tourist visa plus an extension, then a border bounce to give you 30 more days then an extension on that entry stamp ie 60 +30 then 30 + 30 or even a SETV with an extension, then a border bounce and extension then another border bounce and extension ie 60 +30 then 30 +30 and another 30 + 30. You have a number of options
John **********
Winner today of rambling, mullti directional, unsure of plans posting 😁
Ruth *******
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@John *********
why, thank you! I aim to please. As long as I can keep the trolls happy, my life is complete. Any other helpful comments?
Terary **********
I am have applied for tourist visa and a marriage visa from the Embassy of Thailand, Washington DC, while being in Mexico and Indonesia. It takes 1-2 weeks (closer to 1 week).

You can start your retirement visa process regardless if you choose to live in Thailand. I would suggest you consider your options. From what I understand there are two types of retirement visas. One you get in Thailand and one you get outside of Thailand and they have different requirements.
Ruth *******
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@Terary *********
my plan is to get the O visa (retirement extension) in-country. I’m just wanting to find the best visa for my return trip, although the more I’m looking at it and thinking about it, maybe I should just return without a visa again. I am looking at moving to Thailand, but I really am still touring. I just didn’t want to run into problems as I go in and out of Thailand. I thought establishing residency would make things simpler but it sounds like it could be the reverse.
Terary **********
@Ruth ******
The "prefer" you visit on the appropriate visa but they do seem tolerant of questionable visas. I don't think you have anything worry. If you go show you have means and a history of travelling, it's unlikely the Immigration Officer is going think you are an illegal worker.

The other thing to consider is some flights won't let you board without a visa or the requirements.
David *******
You are allowed to enter Thailand 2 times a year without a Visa and will get issued a 30 day exemption each time. Total 60 days ten with no Visa. If over 50 and you don't mind paying 1000 to 1500 usd you can hire local agent who will do all the work for you and get you approved for a 90 day OA visa which they will convert to a 1 year retirement visa. You must be 50 y.o or older. Total is 15 months. After that the agent will charge approximately 500 to 700 usd to renew your retirement visa annually. It will cost you extra if you want to leave Thailand and re-enter during your stay here on a retirement visa.
John ********
@David ******
OA or O visa?
David *******
@Jo**
i was told the agent gets you approved initially for an OA 90 day VISA which is converted to a 1 year retirement VISA. Total 15 months in Thailand.
John ********
@David ******
it’s an O if issued in Thailand.
Andrew *******
@David ******
I've been to Thailand 6 times in the last 12 months without applying for visa .....just get a 30 day exemption each time .... However u mention u can only enter twice within 12 month period without visa ...has this stipulation been introduced recently ?
Brandon ************
@David ******
You are allowed to enter Thailand unlimited number of times without a visa if you are from a qualifying country. The 2 times limit is only if entering at a land border.
Andrew *******
@Brandon ***********
oh I see . Thank u ....I was getting confused 🤔
David *******
There’s nothing stopping you applying for the visa online before you get back to the US. You’ll need proof of your address etc from there and the flight details from there to Thailand. It’s all done online so you don’t even need to be there when it’s approved. I understand some Consulates there are quite slow and less than helpful so 2 weeks probably won’t be enough if you wait until you’re home before applying.
Ruth *******
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@David ******
I thought I needed to be in the States to apply. I'm pretty honest when it comes to such things even if it's done online. Yes, I've heard some regions are slow, which is my concern. My residence is on the East Coast, so I need to apply through D.C..
David *******
@Ruth ******
you need to be resident there, which you say you are, so you will be honest. They will want to see a flight from there to Thailand and, depending which visa you want, bank statements, maybe proof of address etc etc. I know someone who was in a similar position and applied while still in Thailand as was only going to be back in Chicago for a few weeks.
Ruth *******
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@David ******
It would either be a tourist visa or a non-O. I had considered an METV, but I thought I read that those recently went away. They are not listed on the embassy's website.

I know the requirements (bank statements, etc.). I just thought they needed to be applied for within the States if one is from there. I may have just imagined that requirement :-), which is why I asked the question.
Justin ********
I believe 1 requirement is a lease for at least 3 months with your application. Just apply when you decide to reside in Thailand.
Ruth *******
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@Justin *******
That requirement if for the retirement visa, not the tourist visa. I would not be applying for the retirement visa until my return. I'm trying to find the best route for returning.
John **********
@Ruth ******
how many visa exempt and visa entries have you had in the past? If you think this might be an issue it may make sense to apply for the retirement visa in the US and returning with that rather than trying to return on yet another tourist entry
Ruth *******
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@John *********
My extension was also for 30 days from
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but I'm actually leaving
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. I don't really think immigration will see that as anything but a tourist. They MIGHT ask questions (at which point I show my travels to Phuket, Hua Hin, Bangkok, Chiang Mai,...you get the idea), but I think that's the worst that might happen.
John **********
@Ruth ******
yea it sounds like you should be ok. Still much simpler coming in on a 90 day Non-O visa though and no worries about return tickets etc. As you're already here you can get a bank account all set up in advance too.
Ruth *******
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@John *********
I think you're correct. My concern is that everyone says this is how one enters Thailand to then apply for a retirement visa extension, except the application says a stay "no longer than 90 days". Is that just a verbiage issue? The 90 days is simply then extended, right? Additionally, what if I want to leave within that 90 days? Is there a multiple-entry option with that? Sorry, I should have asked that from the get-go.
Justin ********
@Ruth ******
I think you are putting the Cart before the horse. I have been waiting for my birthday next month to apply for the Retirement Visa. In the meanwhile I just use tourist visa exemption to stay in Thailand on and off for 9 months. Next month I Initiate the retirement visa process which begins with a 90 day visa, and then the actual 1 year Visa starts .
John **********
@Ruth ******
yep, you extend the 90 day visa for 12 months at your local immigration office inside Thailand by meeting their requirements the main one of which is having 800k baht in a Thai bank 2 months before you apply. If you want to leave and keep your visa alive you just go to immigration and buy a re-entry permit, you can also buy a multiple re-entry permit that allows you to enter and leave as much as you like but the multi makes more sense when on a 12 month extension of stay. The only down side to doing it in your home country is they may want you to show insurance for those 90 days but once in Thailand with the visa there is no insurance requirement
Ruth *******
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@John *********
The ones I've mentioned are/were my only ones since 2019.
Steve ********
Keep in mind there are four different types of retirement visa, all with different criteria
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