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Is it feasible to obtain a long-term visa in Thailand while on a 45-day tourist exemption?

Raffaele ************
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Hi all, my head is swimmimg. I’m considering flying to Chiang Mai next month from Saigon where I’ve been working. I’m a citizen of USA, 64 years old, single. Monthly pension of approx 178,000 THB.

I did not start this process in USA, is it feasible to expect that I can start and finish a long term visa while in Thailand? Specifically while there on the 45 day tourist visa with 2 30 day extensions?

Really conflicted at this point because Mexico is an option with much simpler visa process.

All advice greatly valued and appreciated!

Thank you.
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The user, a 64-year-old US citizen, is considering moving to Chiang Mai and wants advice on obtaining a long-term visa while in Thailand on a 45-day tourist exemption. Comments clarify that you cannot get a 45-day tourist visa and that an entry stamp grants 45 days, which can be extended once for 30 days. To qualify for a NON-O visa based on retirement, one needs to either have 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account or prove a monthly income, although simply showing pension income isn't sufficient. Alternatively, the newly introduced LTR wealthy pensioner visa may be simpler without requiring a Thai bank account.
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Ellie *******
Ellie *******
Thank you for your contribution. Sorry, but this post will not switch to a 'how to and how long to apply for LTR in detail' post. Please check the LTR page at the BOI site and contact them if needed. @Raffaele Longobardi, if you still have anything to ask related to the original question, please contact one of the moderators to re-open this post.

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Natalie ********
Natalie ********
Have you looked into the new LTR wealthy pensioner visa? There is no need for a Thai bank account, or money sitting in it at all. We are going through the process now and it seems much simpler than the non-o visa, at least in our case.
Raffaele ************
Raffaele ************
OP
What do they require for that visa? I’m a little afraid to ask.
Mikhail *********
Mikhail *********
@Raffaele ***********
Personal income of at least USD 80,000/year at the time of application

In case of personal income below USD 80,000/year but no less than USD 40,000/year, applicants must invest at least USD 250,000 in Thai government bonds, foreign direct investment, or Thai property

Health insurance with at least USD 50,000 coverage or social security benefits insuring treatment in Thailand or at least USD 100,000 deposit

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Natalie ********
Natalie ********
@Andre *****
about three weeks. They asked for further documents at that point in time.
Ellie *******
Ellie *******
This is NOT the requiremets list for an in-country initial Non-O visa based on being over 50 at Chiang Mai, but a general list so that you can get rough idea what you MIGHT need to preprare for the first visa in Thailand.

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/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf
Geoff ********
Geoff ********
The Thai retirement visa is actually less difficult to complete then the Mexican retirement visa.
James ********
James ********
Tod *********
Tod *********
Okay lets sort out your errant terminology so you know what you're doing FIRST

If you show up here without having bought a visa from the thai consulate before you come here you aren't gonna get stamped in on ANY tourist visa 😮

There's no such thing as a 45 day tourist visa. What you're talking about is showing up without a visa and getting just a free entry stamp (called a visa exempt entry) which at this time is for 45 days (until Mar 31st)

AND

which you can extend ONE time (not two 😕 ) for 30 more days giving you a total of 75 days

You can show up on a 45 day visa exempt entry, open a thai bank account, deposit 800K baht into it and apply in Chiang Mai at the immigration office for first a 90 day Non-O visa based on being over 50 (retirement) for 2000baht, then after you get that wait 2 months and apply for the year extension of stay for 1900baht.

What you can't do is use monthly income to show that you meet the financial requirements to do it 🙁 . You would need to bank the 800K baht to get the Non-O and first yearly extension.
Robert *********
Robert *********
@Tod ********
would he need to show the 800k came from overseas?
Tod *********
Tod *********
Good question
@Robert ********
(y)

Chiang Mai immigrations does not require the 800K baht originate from abroad, it can be a domestic deposit without any issue.
Raffaele ************
Raffaele ************
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Thanks very much Tod. So I need to bank the 800k immediately or over a period of time?
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Raffaele ***********
you need to get it into a thai bank account in your name only before you can even apply for the 90 day Non-O visa based on retirement (the first step to getting a year 'retirement visa' inside the country)

Plus in Chiang Mai you need a minimum of 21 days (15 working days) left on your current entry stamp (or extension from it) to apply for that 90 day Non-O visa. That means time IS of the essense once you hit the ground here, you wanna get that bank account open, get the funds transferred into it and go apply for that initial 90 day Non-O visa..
Graziella ********************
Graziella ********************
@Tod ********
If I

wrote that it is because it happened personally. I live in Thailand since 1996 with my 26th annual visa. Every year they "invent" some new law to try to have some extra money from you. 2 years ago they want to see money fix for 1 year (800,000). I have to go to Italian Embassy to make additional statement from my pension so as to reach the amount.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Graziella *******************
that is not correct, Pattaya 😕 Pattaya requires you to have to 800K baht seasoned 2 months before you apply for the 90 day Non-O visa and again for 2 months before you apply for the year extension, THEN the 800K baht stays in the account for 3 months after the extension is granted and after that the balance can't go below 400K baht.
Graziella ********************
Graziella ********************
@Tod ********
in Pattaya the 800,000 baht deposit is required to be fix for almost 90 days. Last year they require to me this money fixed for 1 year!
Raffaele ************
Raffaele ************
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@Tod ********
thanks very much!
Stuart *********
Stuart *********
You could indeed get a long term visa/extension off a 45 day exempt entry - it’s not a tourist visa, just a stamp.

You would need to act fairly quickly to get your bank account set up and funds transferred.

You can only get one extension off a exempt entry - not 2.

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