Do you need to maintain 800,000 baht in your account if you have a monthly income of 65,000 baht for a Thai retirement visa?

Feb 28, 2023
2 years ago
Tod *********
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Jon Franklin

I was told if you have 65,000 monthly income you do not need the 800,000 or 400,000 in an account.
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The discussion revolves around the requirements for obtaining a Thai retirement extension (Non-O visa) when relying on a monthly income of 65,000 baht. It highlights that individuals, unless from certain countries, must show consistent monthly transfers into a Thai bank account for twelve months before applying for the extension. Misunderstandings regarding the necessity of keeping 800,000 baht in a bank account are clarified. The conversation stresses the importance of understanding the distinction between visa procedures at embassies and immigration offices in Thailand.
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Paul *******
@Tod ********
- thanks for all your invaluable information. If one already has a Thai bank account is it possible to do the 12 months of 65k transfers before applying? And will that eliminate the need to deposit the 800k.
Ellie *******
@Paul ******
, it doesn’t matter if you already have Thai bank account for enough long time or not. You just cannot use monthly transfer if it’s your initial in-country non-o visa or the first year extension application
Paul *******
@Ellie ******
got it. Thank you very much.
Paul *******
I think you may have answered this in your response to Gooddy Chris.
Steve *********
Is it no longer possible to get a 12 month "over-50" Non-O from your home country.. then bring in the 65k every month until your ready to make your first extension in T/L???
Steve *********
OK... Thanks Tod, what about staying here for the first year on TVs & VEs, whilst transferring in 65k per month.. and only then going for the Non-O conversion & extension..? I'm just throwing up possibles...!
Tod *********
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@Steve ********
nope, visa exempt, tourist visa, METV, have already been tried and denied at MANY offices with 12 months of transfers. Couldnt even apply for the initial 90 day Non-O visa. Just doesn't work..

AND

as I said no guarantee it'd work even if you're on a non-O visa bouncing out and back during the time you're transferring in the funds.
Tod *********
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@Steve ********
we are not seeing all that many year-long, multi-entry Non-O visas (the one where you bounce out and back every 90 days for the year) being issued based on retirement. Some consulates only do the 90 day single entry Non-O

There was a post a while back by
@Geoff ******
from the UK who got a year-multi-Non-O based on retirement but that was the ONLY one i've seen in quite a few years

In theory though it COULD work.

Get the year/multi-Non-O, start transferring in the funds, and bouncing every 90 days for the next year, and then apply. IF the immigration office would buy off on it
Geoff *******
@Tod ********
I believe the UK embassy only touts the single entry non-O. However, when you apply online, the drop down list shows multiple entry. I just clicked on that and it worked, no need for any special 'proof' either. Maybe I was just lucky but I'm not knocking it.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Geoff ******
that could very well be it, for the longest time people could only get that Non-O based on retirement as a single entry that maybe no one even bothers to select multiple entry 🙂
Tod *********
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@Jon *********
I believe you are confusing two completely different things

Buying the visa in your country from a thai consulate OUTSIDE thailand

and

getting a year extension based on retirement from the thai immigration office INSIDE thailand

I tell people;

NEVER EVER trust an embassy outside thailand about anything at an immigration office inside thailand

and

NEVER EVER trust an immigration office inside thailand about anything at an embassy/consulate outside thailand

They are two completely different governmental entities with embassies run by Ministry of Foreign Affairs and immigration offices run by the Immigration Division of the Royal Thai Police.

Sadly what you are told is incorrect, and if you get a 90 day Non-O visa based on retirement in your country before you come here, you will not be able to get a year extension at an immigration office using monthly income method for the first year.

The ONLY people who can do that are ones who come from countries whose consulate here in thailand still issues the affidavit of income from abroad notary letter <- which the UK, US and Australia no longer do (since about the end of 2018/beginning of 2019)

The only way those people can use monthly income for proof of funds is by a year of monthly incoming transfers for the minimum required amount into a thai bank account.

You would have to bank the 800K baht for 2 months before you applied for that initial year extension.

AND

You'd have to transfer in 65K baht a month each month every month from abroad into a thai bank account in your name only for the next 12 months before you applied for the following year extension using monthly income method 😕
Tod *********
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@Gooddy ******
posted this answer

Jon Franklin unless you’re from one of the countries whose embassy issues a pension income affidavit, you’re going to have to show 65k baht going into your Thai bank account each and every month for 12 months before you apply for your retirement extension.
Bobby ********
@Cole **********
I'm aware of that. Perhaps you should be addressing this to the OP. All I did was inform the OP of the 65k/month criteria.
Cole ***********
@Bobby *******
Sorry, I thought I was.
Jon ******
@Tod ********
thank you Tod.

I was also told that when I apply for my retirement visa I will need £10,000 in my UK bank. Once on my Visa I will need the monthly proof of 65,000 baht being transferred into my thai bank account which I already hold.
Ellie *******
@Jon *********
that depends on WHERE you apply for your initial Non-O visa. 10K pounds requirements mean you are applying at the embassy in your home country, not inside Thailand. You will need 800K thb in your Thai bank account if you want to apply for Non-O in-country, not at the embassy.
Gooddy *******
@Jon *********
You’ll need the 800k baht seasoned in your Thai bank account 2 months before you apply for your yearly retirement extension. It’s not possible to do the 65k for the first retirement extension as you won’t have had 12 monthly payments of 65k going into your Thai bank account.
Bobby ********
@Jon *********
You need 12 x
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baht international transfers at monthly intervals to satisfy the criteria
Cole ***********
@Bobby *******
Two different time points. You need the 10k to apply for the 90 Day O. After you get that, you need to open an account in only your name and deposit 800k, two months before the 90 day expires so you can apply for the annual extension.

Once you have the extension, you need to transfer 65k each month for 12 months to get your second annual extension by the payment method. After the first annual extension, you can wait three months and draw your account down to 400k, after you get the extension on payments, you can draw it all out but be very careful about managing the transfers.

If you have the money, it is easier to just leave the 800k in the bank and live off the transfers. You can live comfortably for 65k, at least outside of Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya.
Tod *********
ORIGINAL POSTER
That ^ is how it works
@Jon *********
🙂
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