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Can I enter Thailand on a visa exempt and validate my Non-O visa later without returning to France?

Kay ******
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Hello friends,

I am back in France, working on getting my Non O so I can return to Thailand and get my ‘retirement visa’.

Unfortunately the Thai Embassy in Paris takes a very long time to issue visas so, hypothetically: if I don’t get the Non O in time for my flight, can I enter on Visa Exempt and then when the Non O arrives by email, can I ‘validate it’ without having to return all the way to France? Would this be risky or unadvisable in any way?

Thanks for your precious advice! Have a nice night (or day if you read this tomorrow).

Kay

P.s. It’s freezing here in France, 8 degrees Celsius! That’s really cold for this season, even for the Alps where I live. Having said that, I don’t miss the 42 degrees in Thailand in April! Wicked! I had never experienced heat so intense. Thank God for AC ☺️
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The poster is seeking advice on whether they can enter Thailand on a visa-exempt basis while waiting for their Non-O visa to be issued by the Thai Embassy in Paris. They express concerns about potential timeline conflicts, especially if the embassy delays the visa issuance, and if it's advisable to enter Thailand first and later validate the Non-O visa without returning to France. The community suggests that entering on a visa exempt is possible, but the Non-O visa must be validated by leaving the country after receiving it via email. Additionally, there are discussions about bank account requirements, options for obtaining an income affidavit, and the process for converting a visa exemption to a Non-O visa directly in Thailand.
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Dirk **************
Dirk **************
Enter as a tourist, when you have the visa email, leave Thailand and do a trip to one of the neighboring countries, and then return to activate your non-O. However, you need to plan a little as your initial non-O will only be valid for 90 days and you can only file the 1 year extension if you have 30 days left on your original non-O. And you need to plan about a month processing time for the one year extension as this is when you need to submit substantial paperwork.
Kay ******
Kay ******
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@Dirk *************
Thanks. As soon as I get to Thailand with the Non O, I plan on opening a bank account and then, I believe I need to wait 2 months before I head to Immigration to request the extension. I already have a place to stay and the owner will give me a contract to show the officers so, it should go well. I’ll go to the bank where the owner of the place I’ll be staying in has her account so it should be easier.
David **********
David **********
tou need your passport stamped from the emnassy in that country
Greta *****
Greta *****
@David *********
No he doesn't! Where did you get that from??? E visa is a visa sent to you via email while you keep your passport
Galen *******
Galen *******
If you receive your Non-O Visa by Email, after you came to Thailand on a visa exempt, you don't need to go back to France but you must leave Thailand to a neighboring country and enter the kingdom again with this valid Visa in your hands. As a French citizen you don't need a Thai bank account, you only need an affidavit letter to confirm your income in the year 2023 from a French Embassy or a French Consulate. Follow the advices of Jan Kenneth Nesland. His advices are the best.
Andreas *********
Andreas *********
Kay Rush . . You can surely do the “Change of Visa Type” from a visa-exempt to a “90-days Non-Imm-O retirement Visa” on Immigration. But that means that you need to open a bank account ASAP after you entered.

It would be easier to go the route via a 60-days single entry Tourist Visa from a Royal Thai Embassy. You enter Thailand, get 60 days stay permit stamped. However it can be executed straight from the 30 days admitted stay of a visa-exempt entry, if you can get your ducks in a row.

Right after you entered, you need to open a bank account and transfer from abroad a minimum of 800.000.- THB. For the application to the “change”, there is no seasoning needed, yet

On a visa-exempt, you will definitely need to pay an agent service to open a bank account for you, don’t waste any time trying to do it by yourself

You also got the option of obtaining an "income affidavit" from your Embassy in Bangkok, confirming a monthly income of no less than 65.000.- THB

Visit your Immigration and apply for the "change" to a "90 days Non-Imm-O Retirement Visa". It will be issued 15 days “under consideration”. That’s why you need a minimum of 15 days left on your stay permit. After these 15 days, visit immigration and pick up the visa stamp.

The 90 days visa will start on the day you initially applied for the change.

Beginning from up of 30 days before the 90 days stay permit will expire, as soon as the 800.000.- THB deposit has been sitting in your Thai bank account for 2 months, you can apply for the "1-year extension of stay permit based on retirement".

READ the below instructions carefully. The “retirement” option is number 9. Click onto it, a .pdf document from Immigration will open. Carefully go through it as it lists the requirements.

If you want to play ultra safe, visit Immigration within the first 60 days of the 90 days stay permit and ask them for the requirements for a “change”, because some Immigrations apply their own rules which might differ slightly from the police order.

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Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Andreas ********
He don’t need a bank account instantly as he’s from France and his embassy still offers to provide him an affidavit letter to confirm his income.
Andreas *********
Andreas *********
@Jan *****************
I mentioned it "You also got the option of obtaining an "income affidavit" from your Embassy in Bangkok, confirming a monthly income of no less than 65.000.- THB"
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Andreas ********
Sorry. Didn’t read carefully through everything. All embassies in western Europe, except The UK and Denmark still offer to provide affidavit letters.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Andreas ********
the tourist visa is also not going to work because it's the same embassy that takes months to process applications
Andreas *********
Andreas *********
@Brandon ***********
yes, correct. The Thai embassy in Paris is known for taking almost 4 weeks to process a visa application. She will need to use the visa exempt
Dave **********
Dave **********
Thai embassy in France is crap. I submitted everything and in good time. I was sent repeated emails asking for this ,that and the other. In UK. It was approved instantly
Graham ******
Graham ******
BTW the Non-O is your Retirement Visa which gives you 90 days on entry then, in Thailand, you apply for a 12 month Extension of Stay.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
That probably won't work for your plan as there are many reports that if the embassy takes longer than the plane ticket you submitted and that date passes, they will cancel your application instead of sending you the visa.

If they did send it to you, you would not have to go back to France, you would just need to leave Thailand and re-enter to activate your visa.

But based on the reports from the Paris embassy you might be better off traveling visa exempt and just attempting to convert directly to the non-O visa from Thailand. It may be difficult to open a bank account without the Non-O visa though and you will likely need to use an agent to get that part done.
Kay ******
Kay ******
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@Brandon ***********
Hi Brandon. Thanks for your advice. Actually, they don’t ask for your plane ticket when applying for Non O. I specifically asked the agency about this. The immigration office in Nakhon Pathom advised me to get the Non O in France so that’s what I need to do but the Thai Embassy is really slow.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Kay *****
Do u have a bank account in Thailand? It could as mentioned be some issues to open an account without a Long Stay visa unless you use an agent.

You have to apply in Thailand where you have your TM.30, but if you just find out that you will h go back, it should be now issues to apply for a 90 days Non O in country Thailand and extension of stay. You’ll need at least 15 days and you’ll need to show proof of funds in your bank in Thailand at date when you apply.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Brandon ***********
The French embassy still offers affidavit letter regarding proof of income.
Kay ******
Kay ******
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@Jan *****************
Thank you. That’s what I thought.

I just wanted to know if there would be any issues if I received the Non O via email after arriving in Thailand (and then had it validated it by going to a nearby country and then returning to Thailand to get the one year extension).
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Kay *****
Yes, I guess you applied online for a e-visa. Then you just print the pdf and do a quick re-entry to activate your Non O.
Kay ******
Kay ******
OP
@Jan *****************
Hi, thanks for this information. How does the French Embassy find out how much money I have in the bank? I am retired and am still waiting for my pension so I don’t have an income anymore.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Kay *****
Ok, your embassy just give affidavit letter based on your income. You’ll need to provide your own bank statement in Thailand directly to the immigration yourself.

If you’re in the process of applying for a 90 days Non O visa at home, you’ll just use your bank at home, but for the extension of stay in Thailand you’ll need to transfer your funds to a bank in Thailand.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
@Kay *****
the embassies only certify income, not money in the bank.

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