What is the Thai government's stance on foreigners using back to back visas?

May 30, 2020
4 years ago
Tommy ********
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What’s the consensus on the Thai government’s attitude towards foreigners living in country using back to back visas?

My plan was to do this in Chiang Rai for 9-12months once all this is over but it seems like the virus combined with their already increasing opposition to back to back visas will make my dreams impossible.
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The consensus among expats is that while back to back visas were previously utilized, the Thai government has increasingly discouraged their use. With the impact of COVID-19, the rules have become more unpredictable, and recent reports suggest that those attempting to use tourist visas for extended stays through frequent border runs may face scrutiny. Many recommend applying for a Multiple Entry Tourist Visa (METV) in one's home country, as this allows for a longer stay with the possibility of border runs. It's crucial to remain compliant with visa regulations and approach immigration respectfully to avoid issues.
Terence ***********
Private message sent Tommy
Terary **********
I have been doing back-to-back tourist visa for the past 5 years. I don't necessarily recommend it. There are some risks involved, but it's worked out for me.

I always get a visa. I usually stay out 2 weeks.

I can get a METV from Australia (done it twice so far). And get normal SETV from other countries. Thus far I have been to most Asian countries.
Terary **********
I get METV from Australia -- not sure if they can accommodate your Visa needs or not. ( I am American).
Charmaine *********
@Terary *********
same 5 years no issues.

Plus a non.B once for work.permit, never has an issue.

But I always used an agent and followed their advice precisely.
Burnard ************
@Terary *********
That is amazing! What airport do you fly into? Udon Thani?

They obviously do it differently. I was busted for going 191 days over 2 years. Unfortunately, it was less than 12 calandar months. They noted my passport and said I cannot come back. But they did not ban me. I think enough time has gone by that they would let me in now.

I also have a Cambodian Apartment in Phnom Penh. So they have no reason not to let me in.

I am curious. Do you use an agent?
Steve *******
Get the METV, it's good for around 9 months with a couple of border bounces.
Chris ************
If I'm not wrong, you're allowed 2 border bounces by road, the rest has to be arrival by aeroplane, back into Thailand. This is unless you have a tourist visa, 2 months, from a Thai embassy.
Burnard ************
@Chris ***********
2 is/was the limit for land crossings assuming you have all the other documents (and the money to show)

Unless you have a Multi-entry Visa, you cannot simply do 2 land border runs and the rest aeroplanes to exceed 180 days.

Not unless you get really lucky with an immigration Officer.
Burnard ************
Everybody has explained well what will work.

But I will just add what does - not- work anymore.

Staying on a Regular Tourist Visa, back-to-back extentions for more than 6 months in a 12 month period does not work (usually) anymore.

And - Especially - not on a 30 day stamp!

Not sure what Visa you were talking about, but this is my warning.

It is not mentioned enough anymore.
Bobby ********
@Burnard ***********
. Are you talking about a 30-day exemption stamp?
Steve **********
Ah, yep
Jeff *******
in general if they ISSUE the visa you'll likely get in. at the discretion of the immigration officer, of course, so be polite.

a) if you're talking about a tourist visa, they've been limiting the options for back to back TVs for a long time, but i don't know the current state of things.

b) for Non-B, they started discouraging the issuance of back to back non-B visas *before* the pandemic. they want you to go to get an extension in Thailand. and Chaeng Wattana is a pain in the ass, especially your first extension if you own your own company or work for a small company.

what happens next hasn't been announced, and it's kind of pointless to speculate beyond the general trend.
Wojciech ***********
Get an elite visa
Steve *******
@Wojciech **********
For a 9-12 month stay? You are joking, arent you?
Ian *****
I work in HK and I did this flying in and out most weeks sometimes staying a week ,sometimes more but never an issue in 2 years. Covid rules may change thay
Marguyvin **********
Ask your question at Thaivisa.com forums and you'll get more detailed answers. The short answer is yes, it was doable pre-covid. Now, quite unpredictable.
Steve *******
@MarGuyvin **
Probably the worst forum to get a detailed answer on anything!
Cedrik *********
I admit to not having read the comments, but even before the virus the Thai govt was cracking down on visa runners. It was getting harder before and the crackdowns will surely continue. Best get the proper visa for what you want to do.
Bobby ********
Please keep in mind the quarantine regulations which may be in force for the foreseeable future. Each time you enter you could be subject to this. At a cost of 30,000 to 45,000 baht, and 14 days out of your 30 day visa, it may make border bouncing an expensive venture!
Garrett ***********
@Bo***
Don't make things up.
Garrett ***********
Honestly, it depends on the person. Almost all cases of people I've seen being refused entry on tourist visas or visa exempt entries have in fact been working illegally in Thailand. They have pictures of themselves teaching right on their Facebook profiles.

Close friend of mine has been here over 3 years on tourist visas and never had an issue, flys into Bangkok often. If you have money and a source of income outside of Thailand you'll be fine for atleast the first year.

Like others have suggested, your best bet is to get a multiple entry tourist visa in your home country before you leave for Thailand. It's valid for 6 months but you can make 9 months out of it with extensions.

Note: yes, you'll need to leave every 60-90 days. A visa is different than a permission to stay. A visa allows you to enter the country. Each time you enter Thailand you'll get a stamp saying you can stay for 60 days.
Terary **********
I agree 100%. The only useful thing to add. In my opinion. Some people probably cause themselves issues crossing the border because of crappy/entitled attitude. I read many people believe they have *right* to be here, alluding to attitude. You really only need to piss-off IO to be denied entry.

Be polite, cooperative, friendly.

They've stopped me twice and yelled at me. Both times they conclude the admonishment with ' next time you come...'. Note, they're not saying ' never again'
Tommy ********
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@Garrett **********
Thanks a lot for the clarification admin
Wanitcha ****************
“Attitude” ... Never heard they have it
Tommy ********
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@Wanitcha ***************
just another way of saying what is their viewpoint.
Dustin *********
I built a house in Chiang Rai. I stayed in Chiang Rai 7 months in 2018 and 7 months in 2019. I started with a 60 day tourist visa from the Thai consulate in Atlanta, 30 day extension, border run to Mai Sai, 30 day extension, border run to Mai Sai, 30 day extension. I did this 2 years in a row. Immigration will assume that you are working illegally and it’s hard to convince them otherwise. The border runs I did in Mae Sai was crossing the border for a few hours. I have never had a job in Thailand. Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions.
Matt *******
Apply for metv and it is valid for 6 months but if timed correctly you can get 9 months out if it. But the problem is you only get stamped in for 2 months so you still need to fly out/in or go to the border and stamp out/in for a fresh stamp
Tommy ********
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@Matt ******
So this is a bit confusing. I get the METV but every two months I need to do a visa run. How do I time it right?
Stan *******
I think you could be referring to what Thai immigration call 'out/in' - a 30 day visa exemption (you're US so eligible) which is extended for a further 30 days making 60.

Then you leave the country for a short while (some go for 5-7 days but some just leave in the morning of day 1 and return that afternoon) and go to Laos or Cambodia then get another 30 day exemption stamp when you return. If you are lucky, they will allow the second, but that's your lot for the year.

Better to get an METV (Multiple entry tourist visa) in your home country which will get you up to 9 months if you play it right.

After that, you could go to
@L*
os or Cambodia or Penang and apply for a second one at the Thai embassy/consulate there but there's a chance it'll be refused on the grounds you aren't a real tourist.

Long term, you'd be better trying for a 12 month ED visa and say you want to study muay Thai or Thai language and culture.

That's what many people in your situation do
Mark ******
The other alternative is to marry a Thai and apply for an O visa based on marriage, or if you are older than 50, look into a Retirement visa. :)
Mark ******
As Stan said, a better option than METV would be an ED visa. Tourist visas in any country are not designed for long stay "visitors" and repeated METVs indicate to Immigration that you are not a genuine tourist.
Jane ***********
BTW - all this is likely to be different in the current COVID situation. ATM all visas are suspended I really can't see the Thai government, which is being extremely cautious, offering new Muay Thai visas with the physical contact that involves.
Jane ***********
You can't get an METV outside your own country, only a 2 month visa
Tommy ********
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@Stan ******
I mean I actually have interest in Muay Thai so this may be a better option
Mark ******
Not sure what you mean by “back to back” visas. Are you referring to annual visa extensions?
Burnard ************
Everybody has explained well what will work.

But I will just add what does - not- work anymore.

Staying on a Regular Tourist Visa, back-to-back extentions for more than 6 months in a 12 month period does not work (usually) anymore.

And - Especially - not on a 30 day stamp!

Not sure what Visa you were talking about, but this is my warning.

It is not mentioned enough anymore.
Bobby ********
All these explanations are relying on normal operation of land borders. My suggestion is you wait until the dust has settled on covid to see what the future holds. For the foreseeable future, health checks, insurance and 14 day quarantine are the "new normal", possibly on both sides of the border, so "border bounces" as we know them may no longer exist. If you have to serve a 14 day quarantine each side of the border, your border bounce may take 28 days, which is taking a lot out of a 30 day entry!
Jane ***********
I applied in the UK and they are very strict about the criteria now though - I had my bank statement returned because it wasn't showing the last month's income.
Jane ***********
METVs are only issued in your home country and can last up to 9 months if you do extensions to each 2 month stay. So you'd have to fly home to get a new one anyway. I've never stayed in Thailand more than 9 months in a year but have never had a problem getting a new METV.
Tommy ********
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I’m not well versed on this so feel free to correct me as I may misunderstand the process
Mark ******
What sort of visa are you on and how often did you plan on these visa runs?
Tommy ********
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@Mark *****
I mean doing visa runs basically. Forgive me as I’ve never done it so all my knowledge is basic
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