What is the best long-term visa option for retirement or marriage in Thailand considering citizenship aspirations?

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If Allen is 74yo and his girlfriend is 26yo... how much money does Allen really have ?

You're dreaming on all fronts

the health system in thailand is good i go to public hospitals when I have issues and have been cared for well. I would never get health insurance and I am safe in thailand

You don’t ‘must’ marry. No need to do that.

Do everything you wanna do, without the ‘marriage’ part.

Forget about citizenship.

Don’t even think about it .

Just get a retirement non o visa and extend it .

That’s the best option .

You need to speak Thai fluently to get citizenship, and it is a lengthy costly process

Stay at home

Thai Citizenship is a dream I’m afraid !getting married good luck on that suggest you live with them for a few years first go for a retirement visa and get an agent no need for 800k in the bank or medical but it’s costs more ,leave the 800 k in your home account the interest earned will cover your agents fees

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Sounds like you’ve not met your Thai partner in person yet & running to get married. Go to Thailand and spend time: with partner, meet family - feel the vibes. A lot of people get sucked in and rinsed dry by Thai females. Be careful & I wish all the happiness

😂 ok...where do I start? First of all it's very hard to obtain Thai citizenship, it would also require you to be able to have a basic conversation in Thai language where you also understand what's being said to you or being asked. I think it also involves being in the same passport with visa extensions without gaps in between and yearly community donations ( like you have to organize things and prove you actively invested enough - there is a yearly minimum requirement per year- anyways I'm not an expert but wish you luck. If Thai baht gets stronger vs your local currency your math falls in the water. If Thai baht weakens that would be good for you.. problem is you do y know the future conversation rates and your pension is small. Although you could just put 800.000 baht on a Thai bank account and qualify for retirement Visa. Bla bla find it out yourself 😂

In most cases it takes 6-7 years to obtain citizenship. You need to be married for 3 years, you need to hold a work permit etc. Then you can start the process but in practice most successful applicants have been married for 5 years+, and after that the bureaucratic procedures begin, which take another 3 years. So realistic time for you to be Thai citizen is 2032-2034.

Buy health insurance lol

Have you been to Thailand before and lived with your GF and her family. Would recommend you try that first, start with 3 months, you can stay longer if it’s what you want

If I were you, I would abandon the plan of obtaining Thai citizenship, because that is a no-go. That will remain just a dream. The requirements have already been described here by the other members, and you do not qualify for them. There is also no such thing as a “marriage visa” or a “retirement visa”; those are terms commonly used in everyday language.

Your best situation comes down to some other possibilities. You enter Thailand on a Non-Immigrant O visa and then apply for an extension of stay based on marriage or based on being over 50, provided you meet the financial requirements. Each year, you can apply again for a new extension, and in this way you can remain in Thailand as long as you continue to meet the conditions. This is the option used by most foreigners who stay in Thailand long term.

The other possibility is extremely difficult and comes with many conditions. Based on your explanation, you do not qualify for that option.

Good luck with your partner and your future in Thailand.

Cant exist on 40,000 baht a month. After bills etc rent ! Need at least double. Depends on lifestyle.

If the goal is health insurance, why? The Thai health insurance system lets you go to public hospitals for almost nothing, but paying for it out of pocket for a falong is also minimal. Same hospitals as being on the social security system. If you have a problem paying for a public hospital visit, then you can’t afford to live here. Retirement visa is the way to go, non-O.

Bureaucracy gone mad.

Well oh boy... So this was a pretty simple post until you got down to "i want thai citizenship for free healthcare" that is an incredibly hard and long process with lots of luck. I would not bank on getting it...

You be lucky to get your prominent residence in the first 10 years if you have connections with high ranking Thai officials in which I doubt you do.

Citizenship takes years of residency and fluency in spoken & written Thai.

I have done them both. I have known other fellows who have done them both. The general concensus is that the marriage visa is more complicated.

Ask a couple of agents the price of each... Likely you will find the agent charges a lot more for the marriage visa

You won’t be able to provide a life with only 38-40,000 baht to live on, do you other investments?

Easier to start a company, employ yourself, and then join on Thai social security.

Y-tf would you get married if you can afford the retirement visa, stick to retirement visa, marriage is a mugs game, and you will almost definitely get burned somewhere down the line. It definitely will not help gain citizenship, only extremely wealthy people that are prepared to place a lot of investment in the country get that privilege. If your pre-existing conditions are going to be of an expensive concern i would consider you stay in your home country.

Your absolutely deluded if you think you're getting citizenship anytime soon and your pension is a pittance. Dream on.

Think it through again and again and again

Maybe I misunderstand. You are set on marrying someone you have not met in-person? Plus you plan on residing and even try to gain citizenship in a country that you have never been to?

Calm down brother ! What could possibly go wrong with those ideas ?? everything .

Start with a retirement Visa , forget all the other stuff , do your first 5 years , then consider your future from there .

Forget citizenship , of little benefit anyhow and would take much longer than that .

There is no compulsory requirement to have health insurance If you have a Non O visa and get 12 month extensions .

Highly recommend trip and enjoy everything in Thailand, but marriage and Thai citizenship are forget it 😎😎

Retirement visa is lots easier to do than marriage visa

Find somebody who already has a government job, and you can get into your spouse's health insurance. Becoming a Thai citizen is not simple. Even if you become a Thai citizen, you won't be guaranteed entry into Thailand's health care system for free.

You will more than likely be expected to help if not fully support your wife’s family.

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Foreigners typically need at least five consecutive years of residency, a valid work permit, a minimum monthly income (often ฿80,000, or ฿40,000 if married to a Thai citizen), good character, and basic Thai language proficiency. The process requires a points-based application, interview, and approval from the Ministry of Interior.

Key Ways to Acquire Thai Citizenship

By Birth: A child born to a Thai father or mother, regardless of location, is generally entitled to Thai nationality.

By Naturalization: Foreigners may apply after 5 years of legal residency, working in Thailand, and paying taxes.

Marriage: Foreign women married to Thai men may apply for citizenship, often with reduced time requirements (sometimes after one year of marriage).

Permanent Residency: Holding a PR certificate for at least 5 years allows for a citizenship application.

Core Requirements for Naturalization

Age: Must be at least 20 years old and sui juris (legal age).

Residency: At least 5 consecutive years in Thailand with valid visas/extensions.

Employment & Income: A steady job, a work permit, and a monthly income of at least ฿80,000 (or ฿40,000 for those with familial/educational ties).

Language: Basic Thai proficiency, including understanding and speaking, is tested during the application.

Behavior: A clean criminal record and good moral character.

Documentation: A Yellow Tabien Baan (house registration) is highly recommended and often necessary for the process.

Application Process

Submit Documents: Applications are submitted to the Special Branch Police in Bangkok or provincial police headquarters.

Interview: A formal interview is conducted to test language and intent.

Fees: The application fee is 10,000 THB for adults.

Approval & Oath: If approved, a citizenship certificate is issued, and a citizenship oath must be taken.

Important Information

Dual Citizenship: Thailand permits dual citizenship.

Tax Records: Applicants must provide evidence of having paid personal income tax in Thailand for at least 3 years.

Language Requirement: Applicants must be able to sing the Thai national anthem and the Royal Anthem.

To become a Thai citizen, you have to be actually working and have a valid work permit here in Thailand. And secondly becoming a citizen to get free health insurance is not a valid reason.

Reconsider the marriage we all go through that stage. Learn the girl, learn the family

Get a retirement extension. I have had both. Marriage and Retirement. It’s a lot less paperwork and you are independent from your wife’s blackmail

Slow down, grasshopper. Much to learn, you have.

Stay in Australia. Get married and have your new wife migrate and obtain Australian citizenship. As your marriage plans are based on a sound relationship, this is probably the best plan for you both when you consider such things as your present stable life and health care. You can visit Thailand regularly for family connections.

I think you best do some more research regarding citizenship. Knowledge of Thai language, working and paying taxes here to name 2 hurdles. Believe me, it is a pipe dream for you. Best just go for extensions of stay preferably based on retirement which is a lot easier than marriage.

Thai citizenship doesn't come in a cornflakes box like Australia. They actually have rules here and enforce them. Do more research on visas, but if you don't have at least the 800k to put in a bank things will be tough for you.

Thai citizenship not going to be an option for you if you are retired, whether you are married or not. You need to have held a work permit and worked inside Thailand for 3 years to qualify