Answered4 months ago
What can we learn about the variances in visa outcomes for courses in Thailand?
A Tale of Two Courses
I am sharing the following experience for everyone’s knowledge. Interpret the results as you will, and I would love to hear everyone’s opinions. I am presenting the facts as they happened, none of this is heresy and can be verified if anyone has any doubts.
For context, I own a Muay Thai gym that many people in this group have used (Tiger Eye) and have been involved in a lot of DTV applications, covering around 70 nationalities and applications through roughly 50 different embassies and consulates. Even with that experience, I don't consider myself the arbiter of truth. My position has always been that there are simply too many variables that we don't fully understand, and each embassy seems to weigh factors differently.
About a week ago, two different people received two very different outcomes that went completely against the conventional wisdom and advice. I understand that most people are trying to help, and I genuinely think there is a lot of useful information shared here. But I also think we need to be careful not to mistake common advice for universal truth.
The first case was a British citizen applying in London. They applied with a one-month course. They met the financial requirements, but there wasn't anything particularly noteworthy about the application, and as far as I'm aware they had no ongoing income.
They were approved.
The second case was a Western European citizen applying in Jakarta. This applicant had a one-year course, well over the minimum financial requirement, more than one million baht in liquid savings, additional liquid funds in another account, investments, a detailed financial explanation, and a professionally written cover letter. They had also recently started a business and included a well-structured prospectus explaining its future income potential, although in my opinion that wasn't even necessary because their savings alone comfortably exceeded the requirements.
Honestly, it was one of the most meticulously prepared applications I've seen.
They were given a METV. They weren’t even rejected. They were given a METV which is valid for 6 months and obviously doesn’t cover a commitment to train for one year. People are told that you must have 9 months or 12 months or you risk getting an METV. This case directly contradicts that notion. Obviously, in previous cases where applicants got a METV perhaps course length was a factor, but this case makes you wonder if that is actually the case?
Now, could there have been factors that I wasn't aware of? Absolutely. None of us ever has the complete picture.
But these aren't isolated examples from my experience.
The reason I'm sharing this is because I often see people immediately assume that if someone is rejected with a course shorter than nine or twelve months, then the course length must have been the reason. Likewise, if someone is approved with a one-year course, it's often presented as proof that a one-year course is the "safe" option. And if someone is approved with a course length less than 6 months (or even less than 9 months) they are told they got lucky.
These two cases tell a different story.
Of course, all else being equal, a longer course probably makes for a stronger application. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. But I also don't think the evidence suggests that course length is the overwhelmingly dominant factor that it's sometimes made out to be.
My advice has always been to focus on the specific embassy you're applying through, because embassies clearly have different approaches and different expectations.
Ultimately, I think the biggest takeaway is that we should all be a little more cautious about speaking in absolutes. This Facebook group contains a huge amount of valuable information, but it's still only a sample of applicants. It may have its own biases, blind spots, and patterns that don't necessarily reflect the totality of DTV applications worldwide.
In the end DO YOUR DUE DILLIGENCE. Make a genuine intention to actually do the activity you are signing up for. Look at the embassy specific requirements because each embassy is NOT the same. Some of them have vastly different expectations and requirements.
Good luck everyone.
I am sharing the following experience for everyone’s knowledge. Interpret the results as you will, and I would love to hear everyone’s opinions. I am presenting the facts as they happened, none of this is heresy and can be verified if anyone has any doubts.
For context, I own a Muay Thai gym that many people in this group have used (Tiger Eye) and have been involved in a lot of DTV applications, covering around 70 nationalities and applications through roughly 50 different embassies and consulates. Even with that experience, I don't consider myself the arbiter of truth. My position has always been that there are simply too many variables that we don't fully understand, and each embassy seems to weigh factors differently.
About a week ago, two different people received two very different outcomes that went completely against the conventional wisdom and advice. I understand that most people are trying to help, and I genuinely think there is a lot of useful information shared here. But I also think we need to be careful not to mistake common advice for universal truth.
The first case was a British citizen applying in London. They applied with a one-month course. They met the financial requirements, but there wasn't anything particularly noteworthy about the application, and as far as I'm aware they had no ongoing income.
They were approved.
The second case was a Western European citizen applying in Jakarta. This applicant had a one-year course, well over the minimum financial requirement, more than one million baht in liquid savings, additional liquid funds in another account, investments, a detailed financial explanation, and a professionally written cover letter. They had also recently started a business and included a well-structured prospectus explaining its future income potential, although in my opinion that wasn't even necessary because their savings alone comfortably exceeded the requirements.
Honestly, it was one of the most meticulously prepared applications I've seen.
They were given a METV. They weren’t even rejected. They were given a METV which is valid for 6 months and obviously doesn’t cover a commitment to train for one year. People are told that you must have 9 months or 12 months or you risk getting an METV. This case directly contradicts that notion. Obviously, in previous cases where applicants got a METV perhaps course length was a factor, but this case makes you wonder if that is actually the case?
Now, could there have been factors that I wasn't aware of? Absolutely. None of us ever has the complete picture.
But these aren't isolated examples from my experience.
The reason I'm sharing this is because I often see people immediately assume that if someone is rejected with a course shorter than nine or twelve months, then the course length must have been the reason. Likewise, if someone is approved with a one-year course, it's often presented as proof that a one-year course is the "safe" option. And if someone is approved with a course length less than 6 months (or even less than 9 months) they are told they got lucky.
These two cases tell a different story.
Of course, all else being equal, a longer course probably makes for a stronger application. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. But I also don't think the evidence suggests that course length is the overwhelmingly dominant factor that it's sometimes made out to be.
My advice has always been to focus on the specific embassy you're applying through, because embassies clearly have different approaches and different expectations.
Ultimately, I think the biggest takeaway is that we should all be a little more cautious about speaking in absolutes. This Facebook group contains a huge amount of valuable information, but it's still only a sample of applicants. It may have its own biases, blind spots, and patterns that don't necessarily reflect the totality of DTV applications worldwide.
In the end DO YOUR DUE DILLIGENCE. Make a genuine intention to actually do the activity you are signing up for. Look at the embassy specific requirements because each embassy is NOT the same. Some of them have vastly different expectations and requirements.
Good luck everyone.
Answer summary
The author shares experiences related to two distinct outcomes of Thai visa applications from individuals of different nationalities and circumstances, highlighting the unpredictability of visa approvals and the nuances of different embassies' requirements. One applicant, a British citizen, was approved for a short-term visa despite standard expectations suggesting a longer commitment might be necessary, while another from Western Europe faced a different result despite a VERY thorough application for a longer course. The author emphasizes the importance of understanding specific embassy expectations and cautions against universally applying advice based on limited experiences.
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Ian ********
It's notmal to be asked to show onward travel in most countries now, even more so on visa exempt. Didn't you know this?
Ian **********
To enter Thailand visa -exempt you must have an onward/return ticket within the initial 60 days, 20,000 baht in cash (40,000 per family), and the first nights accommodation booking. I don't think the staff told you any lies You could have bought a temporary ticket for $14 from onwardticket dot com, which is valid for 48 hours
SincereP*********
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Farang *********
So you spent 180 days in Thailand. Are you paying tax?
Dexter *****************
Farang Walking My tax situation will be sorted at the end of the year depending on how long I am actuslly able to stay in Thailand. I am hopeful to be here much longer. But politely, I'd tell you that this question feels both inappropriate to ask (especially so publicly) and also irrelevant to the topic entirely.
Farang *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten so you not. If do not want people to reply do not post. Guess you need to figure out how Facebook works.
The visa exempt is often used to excess by those trying to hide their time in.Thailand. Thankfully the Thais have woken up to this. So get the proper visa like the rest of us.
The visa exempt is often used to excess by those trying to hide their time in.Thailand. Thankfully the Thais have woken up to this. So get the proper visa like the rest of us.
Proficient**********
I traveled with an emergency passport before, and I think i even commented that for some countries like vietnam you need to go to the embassy first and get a visa, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand do not require special visa.
I dont see where you had any problems with the passport, your problem seems to be around the fact you didnt have a flight out of thailand which is required unless you have a long term visa, like a Non O. The airlines will check and if you cant show proof of flight, train, bus out of thailand they can deny you as if they allow you to fly and then immigration denies entry the airline is responsible for flying you back. That is very common knowledge..
Thailand requires proof of onward travel (a return or outgoing ticket) for all tourists, including those on a Tourist Visa or Visa Exemption. This requirement is most strictly enforced by airlines at check-in, as they are legally fined or required to fly you back if Thai immigration denies your entry
I dont see where you had any problems with the passport, your problem seems to be around the fact you didnt have a flight out of thailand which is required unless you have a long term visa, like a Non O. The airlines will check and if you cant show proof of flight, train, bus out of thailand they can deny you as if they allow you to fly and then immigration denies entry the airline is responsible for flying you back. That is very common knowledge..
Thailand requires proof of onward travel (a return or outgoing ticket) for all tourists, including those on a Tourist Visa or Visa Exemption. This requirement is most strictly enforced by airlines at check-in, as they are legally fined or required to fly you back if Thai immigration denies your entry
Lyndon ************
Jeez, "made it clear you were going to become a very vocally unhappy customer, if she didn't help me." like throwing a toddler tantrum works in SE Asia
Gray *******
Airlines should not be acting as immigration enforcement.
Thai *****
Gray Allen They are fined for carrying passengers with inappropriate paper work.
Gray *******
Thai Jag Exactly part of my point. Airlines should not be held responsible for the action or lack of action of passengers after they have been transported. The airline’s responsibility ends when the passenger exits the aircraft.
Paul *********
Well done . A learning experience & credible post until your protracted insistance that American passport holders are not required by Thai immigration to have an onward ticket .Best to listen , fact check & learn & not be obstinately ignorant
Eddie *********
In 2013 I had to get an emergency passport in Hong Kong. I was a Thai resident at the time. I applied for a new passport as soon as I landed.
Floyd ******
Why did you need daddy's help to get a ticket out of Thailand you could have just bought a bus ticket online or did you not have any money
James **********
Why didn’t you just fly home to renew a full passport,,, your your post doesn’t make any sense ,,,
Marcel *********
yes you wrote a fucking book about before. Go home and support your best President and hopefully don't come here.
RedKi******
Nag nag your like a drunk at the pub who never shuts up
Dennis *********
Unless a person is on some sort of extended thai visa, an outward ticket is ALWAYS required. Nothing to do with your temp passport or anything else. That an 20k baht equivalent and some sort of verifiable lodging, or you can have issues, depending on what airline, airline employee, and or airport, and then again when you land and present your "package" to an immigration officer. Some people, even now manage to get by, just on luck, however is best to completely comply with ALL requirements, not just "some" because other people got lucky. If i lost my passport, I wouldn't consider myself that lucky.
Phil *******
I bet you're a real wow at parties.
Dexter *****************
Phil Clark No, I am a very boring person and I dislike parties.
Pastel*******
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Doug ******
You are required to have an onward ticket by Thai immigration if you don’t have a visa. It’s generally the airlines that enforce the rule because the will get penalized an be required to fly you out if you’re denied entry. It doesn’t matter what kind of passport you have.
Gregory *********
Thanks for the update. I am glad it worked out for you. But i dont understand why you didnt have a ticket out of thailand before trying to return. Anyway good luck getting your new full passport.
Dexter *****************
Gregory Kleiman I am planning to get a new passport and visa and stay longterm, not leave anytime in the near future.
Gregory *********
But all you needed was a ticket to a nearby country like Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar or Cambodia. I think a ticket to Siem Reap is the cheapest and would tick the box with immigration. Consider it insurance for entry and carry 20,000 baht in equiv just 600 USD is easy to keep as insurance as well. You need to plan your excuses and have evidence to back it up and it saves worries. You use short trips to other countries nearby to support your story that you are a tourist.
Andreas *********
Gregory Kleiman Your advice is useless. He thinks he is entiteld to ignore the onward travel proof and the cash 20,000 THB proof, because on his 20 trips in South East Asia he has never been asked to show them
GenuineS********
Why did you wrote a book in this? Jezus F Christ
Dexter *****************
GenuineShark3704 Why did you feel the need to read it?
Dave ********
Why on earth do you Americans think that you can just ‘wing and prayer’ it. Get your passport sorted out ASAP then fuck about in SEA. Your American passport used to carry some weight, but now it has zero kudos, so watch out.
Dexter *****************
Dave Nichol I did exactly what the US Embassy and Thai Immigration told me to do. I'm not so sure why that seems so weird..?
F *********************
Good that it worked out in the end and that others can learn from your experience.
Dexter *****************
F Rodriguez Irizarry Most others seem much more eager to find a way to insult or argue with me about it, but I'm glad you got the idea of why I wrote all this. I doubt I'll ever do it again. The blowback on this personal exposition is just mind-boggling to me. 😂
F *********************
All the best securing your new passport and long term Thai visa. It’s a marathon with several unexpected detours but you’re getting there.
John *****
It can be a lot simpler than what you have experienced or are experiencing; get an agent to handle everything for you and be proactive in the process.
My personal opinion, do not get any girls’ (first or second or third…) advice.. unless you have so much empathy for their sick buffalos.
My personal opinion, do not get any girls’ (first or second or third…) advice.. unless you have so much empathy for their sick buffalos.
Dexter *****************
John Soh I messaged agents and they all said they couldn't help me at all due to my passport being the Emergency Passport. Your second paragraph is bizarre and unrelated as far as I can tell.
Andreas *********
If you are flying to Thailand on a one-way ticket, or without a visa, you can expect that the airline will ask you to provide proof of onward travel from the destination country within the expected length of stay stamped upon entry. In your case it’s a 60-days visa exempt entry.
It does not necessarily have to be the "return flight". It CAN be a return flight. But it can also be a one-way flight "out of Thailand" within the permitted period.
For example, a cheap one-way ticket with Air Asia from Hat Yai to Kuala Lumpur for $35.00, is a 100% secure onward travel proof
Even if you have a visa, the airline can ask for proof of onward travel if you are leaving Thailand outside the length of stay stamped upon entry, or if you want to fly with a one-way ticket.
They "can", they don't necessarily do so. But if the check-in crew implements the rules consistently, they will definitely ask for it.
Because this IATA rule does in fact EXIST, even if many people don't believe it or want to accept it, just because they have never been asked for proof of onward travel.
The penalty for the airline that does not follow the rule is 10,000 U.S. Dollars if the passenger is rejected at the border of the destination country.
And if a flight is overbooked, the airline uses the onward travel proof as a proven means of thinning down the number of passengers. And that's what they will surely do in such a situation!
Thai immigration normally is not interested in proof of onward travel or the return flight. They only ask for it randomly - this usually happens to those entering the country who got an extensive stamp history in their passport, or passengers who turn up in ragged clothing or drunk.
The airline is only enforcing a guideline from Thai immigration. The IATA, as the highest aviation authority, has committed to applying these guidelines. And because Thai immigration has passed the check-duty to the airlines, it does not check again when you enter the country. They tacitly trust the airlines did check already
It is also important to know that many airlines do NOT accept a train or bus ticket to a neighboring country as proof of onward travel, but insist that it must be a FLIGHT ticket.
** You also often read that you can provide proof by booking a hotel in a neighboring country.
** or by presenting a visa for the neighboring country.
** or by signing a form in which you accept responsibility in the event of entry being refused.
** or by taking a speedboat ride from Koh Lipe to Langkawi.
** or a bus ticket to Cambodia
** or a train ride to Singapore
** or a cheap "onward ticket" (but at your own risk)
All of these are just half-hearted suggestions. There is NO guarantee that it will work. The airline decides whether to accept it or not
Of course there are people in every group who claim the opposite, but they can NEVER GUARANTEE their statements
Where as a “real” one-way flight ticket out of Thailand is always a 100% guarantee
Then there are people who firmly claim that the proof of onward travel does not exist, just because they have never been asked
These people can never guarantee that you will not be asked. Such a behavior is irresponsible towards those asking in FB groups
There is NO guarantee that you will not be asked at check-in. It could just as easily be the other way around and proof of onward travel will be asked.
Then you are left standing at the check-in counter and are refused boarding.
That is why I don't think it is a good idea to present your own experience as irrefutable. Thousands of travelers have been turned away in the past, and HUNDREDS face this problem EVERY day at airports around the world
What kind of proof of onward travel will be accepted, you should ask the airline, but it is best to do so in writing (email) In this case if you receive a positive reply, you can print it and take it to the check-in counter. Over the phone, airline employees sometimes tell you anything whatever comes to their mind, much of it might not be true.
It does not necessarily have to be the "return flight". It CAN be a return flight. But it can also be a one-way flight "out of Thailand" within the permitted period.
For example, a cheap one-way ticket with Air Asia from Hat Yai to Kuala Lumpur for $35.00, is a 100% secure onward travel proof
Even if you have a visa, the airline can ask for proof of onward travel if you are leaving Thailand outside the length of stay stamped upon entry, or if you want to fly with a one-way ticket.
They "can", they don't necessarily do so. But if the check-in crew implements the rules consistently, they will definitely ask for it.
Because this IATA rule does in fact EXIST, even if many people don't believe it or want to accept it, just because they have never been asked for proof of onward travel.
The penalty for the airline that does not follow the rule is 10,000 U.S. Dollars if the passenger is rejected at the border of the destination country.
And if a flight is overbooked, the airline uses the onward travel proof as a proven means of thinning down the number of passengers. And that's what they will surely do in such a situation!
Thai immigration normally is not interested in proof of onward travel or the return flight. They only ask for it randomly - this usually happens to those entering the country who got an extensive stamp history in their passport, or passengers who turn up in ragged clothing or drunk.
The airline is only enforcing a guideline from Thai immigration. The IATA, as the highest aviation authority, has committed to applying these guidelines. And because Thai immigration has passed the check-duty to the airlines, it does not check again when you enter the country. They tacitly trust the airlines did check already
It is also important to know that many airlines do NOT accept a train or bus ticket to a neighboring country as proof of onward travel, but insist that it must be a FLIGHT ticket.
** You also often read that you can provide proof by booking a hotel in a neighboring country.
** or by presenting a visa for the neighboring country.
** or by signing a form in which you accept responsibility in the event of entry being refused.
** or by taking a speedboat ride from Koh Lipe to Langkawi.
** or a bus ticket to Cambodia
** or a train ride to Singapore
** or a cheap "onward ticket" (but at your own risk)
All of these are just half-hearted suggestions. There is NO guarantee that it will work. The airline decides whether to accept it or not
Of course there are people in every group who claim the opposite, but they can NEVER GUARANTEE their statements
Where as a “real” one-way flight ticket out of Thailand is always a 100% guarantee
Then there are people who firmly claim that the proof of onward travel does not exist, just because they have never been asked
These people can never guarantee that you will not be asked. Such a behavior is irresponsible towards those asking in FB groups
There is NO guarantee that you will not be asked at check-in. It could just as easily be the other way around and proof of onward travel will be asked.
Then you are left standing at the check-in counter and are refused boarding.
That is why I don't think it is a good idea to present your own experience as irrefutable. Thousands of travelers have been turned away in the past, and HUNDREDS face this problem EVERY day at airports around the world
What kind of proof of onward travel will be accepted, you should ask the airline, but it is best to do so in writing (email) In this case if you receive a positive reply, you can print it and take it to the check-in counter. Over the phone, airline employees sometimes tell you anything whatever comes to their mind, much of it might not be true.
Dexter *****************
Andreas Mueller TL;DR
Andreas *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten I reckon that such a detailled explanation exceeds the imagination of the average American. You are known the World over for this lack of intellect
Dexter *****************
Andreas Mueller I just have better things to do with my time. But I'll actually agree with you here. The average American is phenomenally incompetent. That's one reason I don't like being there most of the time. 😂
Liza ********
at the risk of bringing the wrath of the crowd down on me - it is entirely disrespectful to call the female staff "girls" - were they 15? Professional women - doing their job - even if their understanding of the finer points of immigration law may be flawed - should be treated and spoken about with respect. And as an FYI - I have personal experience of someone travelling on a temporary passport being denied entry in Denpasar and deported back (at the cost of the airline) to his boarding point for that leg - so maybe she mixed up her countries but her job is to represent her company - I am pretty sure she did not it up from whole cloth. Were you able to calmly show her some law that you had found that said something different? Or are you going on your gut - and Dad's credit card....????
Dexter *****************
@Liza *******
As someone who has lived in various Asian countries for the past decade, I can tell you this from my own personal experience. Asian girls (I said it again..) do NOT like being called women. To them, that implies advanced age. The first time I ever called my students a "group of young women", I was scolded. So please do not conflate my cultural awareness with your lack thereof.
Ann **********
Where was your cultural awareness when you got “threatening” towards the check-in staff member?
Lina *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten yes agree! Just watch them in a buffet line!👍🏻😜
Dexter *****************
Ann Williams It was on full display. In Malaysia, being pushy drastically enhances your chances of getting the desired result. When in Rome....
Beay ********
So if an American loses his/her passport while abroad, he/she is not able to get a new passport from an American embassy? The embassy will only issue a temporary passport valid for one year? You would figure the embassy through the State Department would be able to confirm the details of a person's identity to a degree so that they could acquire a new passport.
Dexter *****************
Beay Dudish I had X number of days left on my visa-exampt status when I lost my originsl passport and then got the new one (because the US Embassy wouldn't allow me any appointment for about 2 or 3 weeks in the then-future). So by the time I got to the Embassy, I had merely days left and it wouldn't satisfy the month+ that I would need ro process a full ten-year passport.
Beay ********
Dexter Barrett Wooten Thanks for replying. OK, and then how about after you returned to Thailand. Could you not apply for a new, full validity passport, to replace the temporary one? Because you are absolutely going to need a 'full-length' passport in short order. And when you returned, I assume you got stamped in for 60 days, which is plenty of time for a new one to be acquired. The turnaround from submitting the renewal with the embassy and getting the new passport is running about three weeks.
Dexter *****************
Beay Dudish Yes. I already said that in the post.
F *********************
You can get a new passport but in this gentleman’s case the circumstances were special due to some visa application deadlines and/or expiration (I can’t fully remember). You would have to read his original post to get all the details.
John **********
This is down to the airline. They will normally refuse boarding if you have less than 6 (or 3 depending) months on your passport and it’s at their discretion.
The reason for this is that if you are denied entry to your destination country because of a passport issue they then have to foot the bill for a return flight.
The reason for this is that if you are denied entry to your destination country because of a passport issue they then have to foot the bill for a return flight.
Dexter *****************
John Champion My passport has about 10 months left and they clearly told me that it was Thai Immigrarion demanding them to make me get the ticket, which very well may have been a lie. I couldn't tell you how honest the girl there was or wasn't.
John **********
Dexter Barrett Wooten yes, sorry, I was trying to make the point that it’s at the airlines discretion. If they think there is any chance of being refused entry on a simple passport check they won’t (or should not) let you board the flight. I think there is some kind of international agreement on this. In your case they may have been worried about the temporary passport not being accepted. From their perspective it was simpler to refuse you than to take a chance. It’s probably not something they come across very often.
Dexter *****************
John Champion Yeah, that is likely true. But this girl very much said Thai Immigration required it. And even Thai Immigration themselves previously and her own coworker didn't tell me that before, so I am not putting much stock in what the second girl told me. Someone lied, somewhere, somehow. Because I had assurance of not being required inward travel from every single party involved until I spoke to checkin girl number 2, who did lie for sure about her coworker at the very least. Lame
John *********
I got 3 sentences in dude fell asleep 😴 💤 😐
Dexter *****************
John Andrews Glad you got a good nap out of it 👍
John *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten yes thank you , I have been finding it hard to sleep lately but the post done the trick again thank you
Andrew ********
First, I to once had to get an emergency visa. They warned me I might be scrutinized more at airports. Nobody cared or asked me any other questions. But do get the new passport because most countries will not let you enter if your passport has less than 6 months on it.
Secondly, you threatening to become “very vocal” does not matter to them. When it comes to immigration issues, they have you by the preverbial balls.
What you ran into is the hit or miss interpretation of the rules. Just like when you land, one immigration officer may stamp you one way while the next one over may stamp you differently.
The rule actually says you need to have an onward ticket. Unless you have some sort of visa that negates that.
Secondly, you threatening to become “very vocal” does not matter to them. When it comes to immigration issues, they have you by the preverbial balls.
What you ran into is the hit or miss interpretation of the rules. Just like when you land, one immigration officer may stamp you one way while the next one over may stamp you differently.
The rule actually says you need to have an onward ticket. Unless you have some sort of visa that negates that.
Dexter *****************
Andrew Patron I got threatening toward the AirAsia girl, not the Immigration people. And that's because one AirAsia girl told me AirAsia would cover the cost and then the second girl said they wouldn't. That's what ticked me off. And I think it worked because she definitely got way more helpful suddenly after I did that. 🤭
Dca *****
Limited-validity passport for emergency travel:
When necessary, consular officers at post issue emergency passports for urgent travel, but emergency passports are usually valid for no more than one year
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When necessary, consular officers at post issue emergency passports for urgent travel, but emergency passports are usually valid for no more than one year
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Dca Dca Correct 💯
Joseph **************************
Wow! This is real exciting ! Please keep us updated about processing a 10-year passport at the US Consulate Chiang Mai !
Matthew ********
Joseph Riyadh Sulieman-AlHabib nope, you'l send it to bkk for processing..
Ian *********
I’ve had a uk one and it’s fine for travel in thailand but as soon as u step bk in uk they take it off u , I didn’t try go any other country on it as she told me it was one use. Never had my tickets checked tho except by uk embassy to see what date I was leaving , had a month to go at that point ,
Mma *******
Good stuff happy days.
Anything like this that is slightly off centre, is a bridge too far for Most staffers, like the 2 at Air Asia. They will tell you literally anything. Well done for pushing the envelope. Happy dayz.
Anything like this that is slightly off centre, is a bridge too far for Most staffers, like the 2 at Air Asia. They will tell you literally anything. Well done for pushing the envelope. Happy dayz.
Lynnette *******
Replacing a USA passport can be expedited quickly if you have the police report and apply straight away. I think people gave you a heads up that trying to fly to Malaysia and back was always going to be risky.
Dexter *****************
Lynnette Munoz The people online did. The actual Immigration office and the US Embassy, the people who should actually KNOW, were the ones who incorrectly told me it would be no issue. It is funny that the travellers know more than the government workers at this point. 😆
YellowCate***********
Dexter Barrett Wooten you need to eat humble pie relying on Facebook advice in an emergency instead of the official Thai advice and the agents who well warned you you imbecile
Lynnette *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten true. But at least you're back and with your dog ( that's the important part). Get the passport done asap. It's all done online. It can be expedited I believe, but they may not see it as so urgent because you got the emergency one instead. Good luck!
SoCa*****
Why didn't u go back to USA and/or just get a new passport? You know already might be the outcome so why are u effing around so bad things can happen?
Then write about a long effing story ...
Then write about a long effing story ...
Mma *******
SoCal1962 why’d you read it Hos?
Lina *******
Mma Droog exactly!
Dexter *****************
SoCal1962 Well I think this would be obvious, but here are the reasons for that..:
I plan to actually live in Thailand long-term.
Flying back to the USA requires an incredibke amount of time and money.
I do not actually want to go back to the USA at this time.
The US Embassy incorrectly told me at first that this would be no problem at all.
I plan to actually live in Thailand long-term.
Flying back to the USA requires an incredibke amount of time and money.
I do not actually want to go back to the USA at this time.
The US Embassy incorrectly told me at first that this would be no problem at all.
John **********
Many airlines require you to have a ticket out of Thailand before they will allow you to board visa exempt. Nothing to do with your temporary passport
GoldenT*******
@John *********
can easily get around that paying onward $12Dexter *****************
@John *********
I've flown to Thailand on many airlines many times and this has never been a requirement. As I mentioned, the girl said that Thai Immigration, not the airline, asked for the oneard ticket and did so on account of my temporsry passport.John **********
@Dexter ****************
you might not be asked but believe me it's a requirement. If you don't want to believe me perhaps you'll believe your embassy *****************************************************************
Darren *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten I've been asked multiple times if I'm flying in and out on 2 different airlines so I can confirm what John has said that it is actually a requirement. Whether the airline asks at check in is a different matter completely.
Pui *****
Dexter Barrett Wooten the dozen times you have flown in are absolutely statistically meaningless against the millions of Americans that come to Thailand on many different airlines who can tell you that it is not at all uncommon for airlines to require an onward ticket before allowing you to board a flight to Thailand via visa exempt entry. You sound like the ignorant people who insist there's no requirement to be able to show 20k baht equivalent in cash if requested by immigration, just because it never happened to them. They think their experience is meaningful against the thousands of posts from people who have been asked for onward tickets or the 20k proof of funds. I've never been secondary searched for contraband by Thai officials at the airport in dozens of entries. Does this mean I can say Thailand has no regulations about carrying illicit drugs? Same idea.
Andreas *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten How to get proof of onward travel
If you think you may need proof of onward travel during your travel adventure, there are a few legal ways to get around the rules without having to buy round trip tickets everywhere you go.
1: Buy a refundable ticket
If you don’t mind waiting a while (sometimes months) to receive a refund, buying a fully refundable second one-way return ticket is definitely possible.
To make it work, you’ll need to buy that second ticket before you leave for your destination.
Once you’ve entered the country, cancel your exit ticket, and wait for the refund.
Just make sure to read the fine print — because some airlines charge cancellation fees, or only refund tickets using flight vouchers instead of cash.
2: Rent a ticket confirmation
The safest/cheapest option is to “rent” an airline ticket confirmation from a real-life travel agency. This is what I usually do.
“onwardticket” websites are services that book a real return ticket in your name, then cancel it for you later.
It only costs something like 12-15 USD, and you’ll get your official ticket confirmation on the spot. It’s cheaper than buying your own ticket and safer than trying to forge one (don’t do that!).
3: Book with your airline Miles
If you are a travel-hacking whiz and have accumulated a ton of points or miles on your travel rewards credit cards, you can use those points to book a one-way return flight and then cancel it later.
4: Buy a cheap ticket on A Budget Airline
Extreme budget airlines around the world can have some amazing flight deals. While the airline itself might not be the best — if you don’t plan on actually using the ticket, who cares!
Find the cheapest one-way ticket to a major city in the country next door, and eat the cost. Maybe $50 or $100.
This works best in cheaper areas of the world, like Asia or Latin America. Some examples of budget airlines include EasyJet, AirAsia, Volaris, etc.
5: Buy a bus or train ticket out
Some airlines might be placated if they can see you have a bus or train ticket that leaves the country. This is obviously much cheaper to buy than a plane ticket ($50?), and you don’t even have to use it.
In my experience, sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn’t. I think it depends on the mood of the check-in agent. It’s a risky option.
What About Forging One?
I do not recommend forging your ticket confirmation. If you get caught, it could end up badly.
Especially if you try to show a fake piece of paper to actual immigration officials rather than airline employees.
Lying to immigration officials is illegal, and could land you in jail. Some people do this, but it’s extremely risky, and can get you in a lot of trouble!
Which Countries Require Proof?
Many countries technically require proof of onward travel, however, they don’t always enforce the rule
To reduce your chances of them asking, it’s wise to avoid dressing like a bum/hippie/vagabond with no money.
A few countries definitely require documented proof of onward travel. They include New Zealand, United Kingdom, United States, Brazil, Indonesia, Costa Rica, Peru, and the Philippines.
However, depending on the airline you use, you might also get asked for proof before visiting countries like Thailand, Mexico, and Panama. Do some research on your destination country to be sure.
Or, just rent a ticket confirmation in advance, to cover your bases. It’s super cheap.
Even though this rule might seem ridiculous, if you are a backpacker or digital nomad who prefers to travel on one-way tickets, you will eventually get asked for proof of onward travel.
I’ve probably been asked at least 10 times over the past few years.
Luckily there are legal loopholes around it. You just need to remember to get everything sorted in advance before you find yourself stuck arguing with the airline check-in agent, about to miss your flight!
If you think you may need proof of onward travel during your travel adventure, there are a few legal ways to get around the rules without having to buy round trip tickets everywhere you go.
1: Buy a refundable ticket
If you don’t mind waiting a while (sometimes months) to receive a refund, buying a fully refundable second one-way return ticket is definitely possible.
To make it work, you’ll need to buy that second ticket before you leave for your destination.
Once you’ve entered the country, cancel your exit ticket, and wait for the refund.
Just make sure to read the fine print — because some airlines charge cancellation fees, or only refund tickets using flight vouchers instead of cash.
2: Rent a ticket confirmation
The safest/cheapest option is to “rent” an airline ticket confirmation from a real-life travel agency. This is what I usually do.
“onwardticket” websites are services that book a real return ticket in your name, then cancel it for you later.
It only costs something like 12-15 USD, and you’ll get your official ticket confirmation on the spot. It’s cheaper than buying your own ticket and safer than trying to forge one (don’t do that!).
3: Book with your airline Miles
If you are a travel-hacking whiz and have accumulated a ton of points or miles on your travel rewards credit cards, you can use those points to book a one-way return flight and then cancel it later.
4: Buy a cheap ticket on A Budget Airline
Extreme budget airlines around the world can have some amazing flight deals. While the airline itself might not be the best — if you don’t plan on actually using the ticket, who cares!
Find the cheapest one-way ticket to a major city in the country next door, and eat the cost. Maybe $50 or $100.
This works best in cheaper areas of the world, like Asia or Latin America. Some examples of budget airlines include EasyJet, AirAsia, Volaris, etc.
5: Buy a bus or train ticket out
Some airlines might be placated if they can see you have a bus or train ticket that leaves the country. This is obviously much cheaper to buy than a plane ticket ($50?), and you don’t even have to use it.
In my experience, sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn’t. I think it depends on the mood of the check-in agent. It’s a risky option.
What About Forging One?
I do not recommend forging your ticket confirmation. If you get caught, it could end up badly.
Especially if you try to show a fake piece of paper to actual immigration officials rather than airline employees.
Lying to immigration officials is illegal, and could land you in jail. Some people do this, but it’s extremely risky, and can get you in a lot of trouble!
Which Countries Require Proof?
Many countries technically require proof of onward travel, however, they don’t always enforce the rule
To reduce your chances of them asking, it’s wise to avoid dressing like a bum/hippie/vagabond with no money.
A few countries definitely require documented proof of onward travel. They include New Zealand, United Kingdom, United States, Brazil, Indonesia, Costa Rica, Peru, and the Philippines.
However, depending on the airline you use, you might also get asked for proof before visiting countries like Thailand, Mexico, and Panama. Do some research on your destination country to be sure.
Or, just rent a ticket confirmation in advance, to cover your bases. It’s super cheap.
Even though this rule might seem ridiculous, if you are a backpacker or digital nomad who prefers to travel on one-way tickets, you will eventually get asked for proof of onward travel.
I’ve probably been asked at least 10 times over the past few years.
Luckily there are legal loopholes around it. You just need to remember to get everything sorted in advance before you find yourself stuck arguing with the airline check-in agent, about to miss your flight!
Andreas *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten Like someone else already noted: The airline might ask you for proof of onward travel out of Thailand within the period you will get stamped in upon entry. It is an IATA rule and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your nationality or passport.
Proof of onward travel means that airlines and governments want to make sure you are not illegally immigrating to their country, so they need to see proof of a return ticket home, or a ticket that shows you will leave their country.
What is this? Basically, some countries want to make sure you aren't attempting to move there on a tourist visa and never leave
They are trying to prevent illegal immigration.
Government officials need to see proof that you plan on flying out, respecting the rules of their tourist visa.
They want to see proof of onward travel back to your home or at least to another destination.
So while you can technically travel on a one-way ticket, they also need some kind of official ticket confirmation showing that you are leaving the country eventually.
They won’t necessarily care where that ticket goes, just as long as it’s out of their country.
Many countries actually pass this responsibility on to airlines, meaning that it’s the airline check-in desk who will ask to see proof of your onward travel before they let you board the flight.
Because if they don’t check, and allow you on the flight with a one-way ticket, but immigration officials refuse to let you in, the airline will be responsible for the costs of flying (deporting) you back to your home country. And the airline can be fined up to 10.000 US Dollar.
Some airlines are very strict about the proof of onward travel rule.
If you can’t provide proof, you won’t be allowed to board your flight. Or they’ll ask you to buy a return ticket from them right then and there — which can often cost hundreds of dollars more than you want to spend.
Proof of onward travel means that airlines and governments want to make sure you are not illegally immigrating to their country, so they need to see proof of a return ticket home, or a ticket that shows you will leave their country.
What is this? Basically, some countries want to make sure you aren't attempting to move there on a tourist visa and never leave
They are trying to prevent illegal immigration.
Government officials need to see proof that you plan on flying out, respecting the rules of their tourist visa.
They want to see proof of onward travel back to your home or at least to another destination.
So while you can technically travel on a one-way ticket, they also need some kind of official ticket confirmation showing that you are leaving the country eventually.
They won’t necessarily care where that ticket goes, just as long as it’s out of their country.
Many countries actually pass this responsibility on to airlines, meaning that it’s the airline check-in desk who will ask to see proof of your onward travel before they let you board the flight.
Because if they don’t check, and allow you on the flight with a one-way ticket, but immigration officials refuse to let you in, the airline will be responsible for the costs of flying (deporting) you back to your home country. And the airline can be fined up to 10.000 US Dollar.
Some airlines are very strict about the proof of onward travel rule.
If you can’t provide proof, you won’t be allowed to board your flight. Or they’ll ask you to buy a return ticket from them right then and there — which can often cost hundreds of dollars more than you want to spend.
Kyle ********
Dexter Barrett Wooten American Air out of DFW always verifies my onward ticket is within the time frame allowed.
Darren *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten Thailand entry requirements are set for all nationalities into Thailand. I'm glad you've flown into Thailand close to a dozen times...in the last 18 months I'm around 16-17 times - doesn't win me any prizes though...
The simple fact is you didn't like the Air Asia girl pointing out a fact to you because you're an arrogant individual who considers himself to be right at all times. One day your arrogance will come back to bite you.
The simple fact is you didn't like the Air Asia girl pointing out a fact to you because you're an arrogant individual who considers himself to be right at all times. One day your arrogance will come back to bite you.
Dexter *****************
Darren Grist I have flown into Thailand maybe close to a dozen times, my man. You can find this information online. It isn't a secret. This isn't what I think. I KNOW this for certain. I needed an onward ticket when going to Taiwan and the Philippines, but never in any of the other 16 countries I have gone into as a foreigner in the past. Thailand very well might change this in the near future. Even Brazil now requires Americans to show proof of funds, which is a change just within the past 6 months. Thailand still does not require an onward travel ticket for Americans. Ask any of the Americans that have come into Thailand without in the past few weeks. I've talked to several just recently who come here with basically no plan other than "I do have to leave Thailand in X number of days".I even once had this exact same argument with an airport worker in Qatar. I made him go ask his coworker/supervisor and indeed I was right. I didn't need the onward ticket to go to Thailand. It is what it is at least for now. 🤷♂️
Darren *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten I suggest you go research yourself as your nationality has nothing to do with it. Thailand, like a lot of other countries, require an onward ticket as an entry requirement. If you are refused entry and don't have an onward ticket then the airline who carried you are responsible to take you out, incurring costs. Hence airlines can request proof of a ticket out of Thailand. As I said before I have been asked previously at check in to provide this. Hell, last time flying into BKK the Immigration Officer asked to see my ticket out of Thailand too!
Simple fact is, if you're too pig headed and arrogant to believe this is a requirement then that's on you - don't go crying about it when asked next time like you did in this post.
Simple fact is, if you're too pig headed and arrogant to believe this is a requirement then that's on you - don't go crying about it when asked next time like you did in this post.
Dexter *****************
Darren Grist You are welcome to do the research yourself. American citizens are not now, not have ever been, required to show an onward travel ticket when coming into Thailand and there is no airline that requires it in their policy. I've done this exact thing before. As I said before, the checkin counter girl very clearly said that Thai Immigration was requiring this and AirAsia was not.
Luc ************
Your post is too long!
William *******
Luc De Clerck Amen to that!
Dexter *****************
Luc De Clerck By all means, you don't have to read it. 🤷♂️
Roger *********
Can't see how God would have any pull 🤔
Mma *******
Roger Scarlet yup he a big old Marketing scam.
William *******
As an atheist I find your post offensive
Dexter *****************
William Byron Okay, and?
William *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten Because God made you lose your passport for a reason
Thai *****
Dexter Barrett Wooten It's because you pointedly thanked God, when in fact an imaginary Sky Fairy had nothing to do with your situation.
Dexter *****************
William Byron You just said that God made me lose my passport. This is 2026. Trolling isn't funny anymore. 😭
William *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten No. How evil of you to say I blame God.
You're doing a fair bit of projecting your sins onto me.
You're doing a fair bit of projecting your sins onto me.
Dexter *****************
William Byron You just said you don't believe in God but now you want to blame God.? 🤔
Paul *********
How did you lose your passport?
Mma *******
Paul Tredray Now we pulling back the curtain, grt question.
Vic *********
Mma Droog, the point is that it was lost. The how and why are not relevant to the story but putting your passport in jeapordy of being lost is not a bright move. The OP understands that.
Dexter *****************
Mma Droog And I responded. But I don't see what this even has to do with my actual post. 🤷♂️
Dexter *****************
Paul Tredray Very long and dramatic story. But here is the short and true(!) version that paints me in the best light possible. I was saving a girl from drowning in the ocean and it got lost in the process. 😂
Paul *********
Dexter Barrett Wooten why on earth would you take your passport to the beach, presuming she was drowning in the sea?
Dexter *****************
Paul Tredray Like I said, it's a very long story and not at all relevant to this post. I know losing my passport isn't a good thing. And yes, she was at serious risk of drowning and I am a trained lifeguard. I'm not going into the whole story of the day. I assure you I had no plans of getting near the water with my passport when I left home that day. 😃
Bent *************
Yankee - stay home!
Mma *******
@Bent ************
Back in the day there were so few ‘Mericans here. I traveled a lot in the 80’s and 90’s and rarely saw any. Great to have them here now!Dexter *****************
@Bent ************
I always laugh at people who hide their faces from their profile photos and then try to act tough on social media.Lynnette *******
Dexter Barrett Wooten and. . . you might not be a Yankee. Those are northerners. A southerner would not appreciate being called "Yankee". 🤔
Dexter *****************
Lynnette Munoz "Yankee" has different meanings in different countries. Aussies use it to address Americans in offensive fashion. Japanese people use it to describe young punks/thugs. Etc... I don't know this person, but I suspect it's just an anti-American thing. I'm weeping heavily as a result of the comment right now btw.
Lynnette *******
@Bent ************
that's so rude.Activity
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