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Can I get a B visa to stay in Thailand if I buy a bar but don’t want a work permit?

Lee **********
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I am looking at buying a bar in the North of the country. My Thai girlfriend will be running it. Could I get a B visa to stay in Thailand, as I don't want a work permit. Is it allowed? Thanks
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The post discusses the possibility of acquiring a Business Visa (Non-B) to stay in Thailand while buying a bar that will be run by the poster's Thai girlfriend and not wanting a work permit. Comments from the community suggest various perspectives on the feasibility of this, discussing legal requirements, potential complications, and the realities of running a bar in Thailand. Many argue that while it may be possible to get a Business Visa, it could involve significant paperwork and expenses. For those looking to avoid a work permit, some suggest alternatives like marriage visas or having the business solely in the Thai partner's name.
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Tod *********
Tod *********
I think the O/P has about as much information as they can digest.

Good Luck, we're done.
Graham *********
Graham *********
was in udon a few weeks back..140 bhat lady drink....bars are empty...
Robert ********
Robert ********
Speaking from experience, I've lived here going on 2 decades and have owned pool & sports bars and restaurants in Bangkok...it is not for the faint of heart. Depending on where you are located Up Country and what you decide to offer, I would keep it very simple. The more entertainment available: pool table, tv's, food and drinks, music, darts....etc the more permits and licenses you will be required to show. I didn't even mention "girls" and ladies drinks. Most guys that I know who have bought a tiny "Bar Beer" for their G/F's (often a bar girl herself) have never seen the money returned or a satang of profit. But as has already been mentioned, you never know until you try, keep things simple and the costs under control and it just might work out. ;-)
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
Agree about Pattaya it seems that so many bars are trying to compete on pricing until nobody makes any money which means that they can't survive in the end.
Robert ********
Robert ********
@Steve **********
Come to Bangkok sometime and you'll see some very successful and busy bars.....not talking about Pattaya which is a dump.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Robert ***********
, bars couldn't carry the extra overheads that you propose, certainly with the downturn in farang tourists. In a perfect world what you propose may be achievable but not at the moment.
Robert ********
Robert ********
@Steve **********
You do as you like....I've been there and did well and now I'm happily retired, enjoying life.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Robert ***********
And if you take this advice you'll be on the road to ruin, we're talking about bars here not multi national companies.
Robert ********
Robert ********
But to answer your specific question, this simple bar will not meet the requirements to get you a Non-B visa & W/P, for that you require a serious investment and to open a company, hire the required number of staff, pay taxes and social security, maintain proper books and accounts....etc. This again depends on where in Thailand you decide to live. Good luck ;-)
Graham *********
Graham *********
bang your head against the wall repeat...dont buy a barnever ever to many problems
Graham *********
Graham *********
you no as well as I. .who takes the most out of a bar....it ain't staff or owner. ..only 1 winner...lol
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Graham ********
Too many cheap Charlies who like the idea of being a bar owner but have no business acumen whatsoever, is it any wonder that so many bars go tits up.
Graham *********
Graham *********
think of the outlay ..before you sell 1 beer....then the unexpected lay out...
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Graham ********
, nothing ventured, nothing gained
Graham *********
Graham *********
in my 25 years of thailand many of my friends have....all did not make money...and the problems they bring.....it's the outlay that kills the bar
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
Have you ever bought a bar Graham?
Pankaj *********
Pankaj *********
May be
Simon ********
Simon ********
Get married
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Lee *********
unlimited stay if you meet all the criteria plus you'd own 49% of the business.
Simon ********
Simon ********
You kind of need to be caught working. If its in her name and your not behind the bar, no drama.
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
@Simon ****************
yes i agree, but will i get asked are you working, when honestly i wont be.
Simon ********
Simon ********
Its got to be the easiest way to he here without a non imm b
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
Simon ********
Simon ********
1 year and check in every 90 days at immigration.
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
What could a marriage visa get me in length of time to stay
Andrew ********
Andrew ********
I believe it is possible to just get the Business Visa without the work permit (since you probably will not have 4 staff)

BUT be aware your business as a company as opposed to your gf owning it 100% as a sole trader is going to have a shitload more paperwork, headaches and tax. If it is a small business that you are not expecting to personally earn
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baht a month then don't form a company. Let the Thai run it as a sole proprietor and find a cheaper visa option

Apart from the wishful thinking of getting a Business Visa (possible but going to incur so much extra costs almost certainly not worth it). The biggest mistake westerners make is thinking they need a company and do it all official. They forget or never know that if the shit hits the fan, they only deposited 10% of the 2 million baht required. The rest is due when the company is closed or legal action is taken. Unless you are paying more than 2 million for the bar. It is not worth it.

So to answer your question, yes you probably will be able to get the Business Visa, but unless your paying close to or more than 500,000 for the bar you are buying. Getting the Business Visa will end up costing your business so much more than what you will save.

For small purchases to keep the gf or wife happy it is better to consider it a gift and salary (and sick buffalo) all in one and up front gesture (as opposed to a monthly allowance). And if things go south to consider it a gift. Probably nothing you do not already know after living here 10 years.
Henri ******
Henri ******
The poster did not ask for opinions on whether to invest in a bar or not.
Christopher ********
Christopher ********
NOT
Matt *******
Matt *******
Firstly, whatever is said on this topic you should go to a lawyer and other specialists

"I am looking to buy a bar in north of the country"

To get a non-B visa, you will need a Thai company. I'm assuming you're attempting to buy an operating business, in which case you've got that box ticked however you will want to speak with a lawyer before purchasing as other rules will apply depending on your level of investment etc (Thai directors and Thai employees etc)

You won't have to apply for a work permit, it would be recommended that you DID. With just the visa you would not be allowed to "help" at the bar in any way what so ever (legally).
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
cheers for that
Biff *******
Biff *******
I think the only option you have is to be a director of the company that owns, or runs the bar. The company wound need to be properly set up, have registered capital, and registration documents. Then you might be able to generate all the necessary paperwork to get the visa you want. I say might, because I’m only familiar with how that works when the person wants a work permit, and you say you don’t. You most likely wouldn’t get one for running a bar anyway.

I’m not sure if you’d get a years non b though. You might just get 90 days.

You’d need a law firm to set the company up so you could ask them for more details. But I think setting up a company is the way to achieve what you want.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
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Steve ***********
Steve ***********
Strange?
Keith **********
Keith **********
@Steve **********
Strange remark
Biff *******
Biff *******
Care to elaborate?
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Biff ******
Total crap
Biff *******
Biff *******
I think it's possible, but I'm not sure what kind of visa you would normally get for doing that. As I said before, my experience of researching this kind of thing was to be with a work permit, and a visa related to being married to a Thai national which gives different results. You would need to contact a law firm that has experience of setting up companies for foreigners and all the visa requirements that that entails. Quite a few Thai law firms don't have that experience, so shopping around is strongly advised. Most of the specialists are more likely to be Bangkok based than up country. The one I spoke with was confident of their firm's ability to deal with immigration in Chiang Rai for me (until everything fell to pieces, as it often does!)

There are, obviously, law firms in Chiang Rai, but I wasn't all that confident in their experience of dealing with foreigners setting up Thai companies.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Lee *********
there's a few options, Tod Daniels would give you the best and definitive advice
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
@Steve **********
thats my only question, what visa can i get to stay in thailand
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
@Lee *********
it's not a big deal then, a lot of guys just put everything such as licences, rental contracts etc in the GF or wife's name so all you need is the right visa
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
@Biff ******
yes, i basically just want to own, but not work
Biff *******
Biff *******
He said he doesn't want a work permit.
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
There's so much more to getting a WP, such as paying social security payments for 4 people, they won't necessarily be your employees but should be, it's no cakewalk.
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
thanks
Ian ***************
Ian ***************
It's a lifestyle choice. Drink with friends until... :-)
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
Running a bar in Thailand can be very rewarding but seldom is.
Martin *********
Martin *********
If you’ve lived in Thailand since you were 28 . What visa have you been on ?
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
I live in Vietnam now, when I lived in Thailand I had marriage visas ( from my ex wife ) and many tourist visas. This is the reason why i live in Vietnam
Lee **********
Lee **********
OP
I am 38 years old so can not get retirement visa

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