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What should I consider before buying a hostel near BTS Nana in Bangkok?

Bruce *********
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This isn't anything else question. I have been presented with a great opportunity to buy a hostel right off of sukhumvit next to BTS Nana. Does anyone here have any experience owning a hostel or hotel in the area? I have some questions if you could possibly help out.
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The post discusses the opportunity of purchasing a hostel near BTS Nana in Bangkok, with the author seeking advice from those with experience in the area. Commenters provide insights on various factors, such as the importance of conducting thorough research on the hostel's financial history, the necessity of having a work permit for effective management, and the implications of leasing agreements, particularly concerning rent increases and key money. It is emphasized that understanding market competition and establishing a strong marketing strategy is vital for success. Additionally, the supportive comments encourage perseverance against negativity in business ventures.
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Elie *********
Elie *********
just see what other successful hostels in the area are doing copy them and add your own touch. no need to reinvent the wheel
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
OP
They offered a 3-year lease at a fixed monthly rate with an option to renew. No key money as the former owner is no longer in business. The building has been empty for over a year. Owners are Chinese. a concern I have is they literally live next door to the building that they're trying to lease out. So if there's people staying at the hospital out at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning talking, I'm worried that they might walk over and say shut up.

Thank you for bringing up a very long-term lease as I would not have thought about that.
Alan *******
Alan *******
How long is the lease?

Is there any rental increases in the lease or any terms about increases for lease renewal?

Do you have in the lease the first right of refusal when renewing?

Are they asking for any key money?

Leasing is a big sticking point with running a business.

Often they’ll give you just a 3 year with the option to renew and leave it open ended.

Then every 3 years they Jack up the rent on you and if you were profitable all of a sudden you’re not anymore or a big chunk of it is gone to the rent increase, to say nothing of having to pay key money again (which they could also decide to raise on you).

Get the longest lease you can. All the successful Thai owners of bars, gogos, restaurants and hotels I know won’t settle for anything less than 9 years, many push hard for 10-15 with any rent increases spelled out in advance.

Last thing you want is to rent out a place, spend a bunch of time and money fixing it up and getting it profitable just to have the landlord show up a year later and tell you that because you made it so much nicer, he just has to charge you more rent.

They will always find an excuse to raise the rent on you.

I’ve seen Thai and especially Chinese building owners who would rather let a property sit empty for years than keep a paying tenant who isn’t paying what they delusionally think their property is worth.

Also, a lot of property owners are doing temporary Covid pricing and fully expect to raise rates significantly over the next couple of years.

So make sure you’ve got a good, long term rent fixed in.

Don’t get ripped off by key money, it’s basically just a way to make the rent seem lower when it’s not while also getting money from you now because they think it’s likely your business will fail and you’ll walk away leaving them with only your deposit to keep while they wait for who knows how long to find a new tenant.
Pete **********
Pete **********
There will always be negative comments. Ignore them

Do your due diligence, check the accounts are real and not fake figures, take your time, ask lots of questions. You can pm if you have any questions

And just go for it. I wish you success. If you are honest, good with people and most importantly have a good marketing team behind you and you will make money

Just delete and block the negative comments they are not important
Pete **********
Pete **********
@Bruce ********
just delete and block the negative people. You seem to have a good attitude. Do your due diligence, check the accounts or get an accountant to confirm the accounts are correct. DO NOT believe the " a lot of people pay cash" story so will not be shown on the accounts

Good customer service, the customer is always right ( we know this is not always correct) face the challenges and you will do well

Go for it!!
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
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@Peter ***********
thank you for that. I remember when I opened up my first retail business my friends and family were saying there's too much competition you're going to fail, you know it's just too hard to open up a business. People were telling me how 90% of businesses fail within the first two years. I told him I'm going to give it a chance and after about six months they saw how well I was doing and they stopped being negative about everything. I've helped my brother open up his own business in the United States and he never thought about that because he was always happy getting a regular paycheck and now he makes 10 times more than what he was doing working in a restaurant. A lot of people who speak negatively are people who have never tried opening up a business or are they just negative in general.

Thanks again for your input.
Jeff *********
Jeff *********
If you can have it pop up on googles first page , you’ll have plenty of customers!
Oliver ********
Oliver ********
even pre-pandemic, hostels were over supplied in Bangkok, mostly because the barriers to entry are non-existent, so you will always be in a race to the bottom on price - very difficult to make decent profit unless it has +100 beds or you have mutiple properties in the same area (to achieve economies of scale) and/or you have a big pool that hipster-backpackers will pay a premium for.

however, some people do make good money by selling hostels (i.e. rent a townhouse, fill it with bunk beds, get it listed on the booking sites, and then sell it to a tourist/FOTB expat as a "hostel") so if you have good sales skills, can get the place for free, and can negotiate a rent holiday with the landlord for 6-12 months until tourists come back in any serious numbers, that might work.
Nigel ********
Nigel ********
By chance, is it top of soi 10?
Peter ****************
Peter ****************
I did what you want to do back in 1984. BTW, do you have work permit? I did not so my Thai partners did all the work. Personally I think it's a very, very hard business to make money at but it might help if you have a work permit and you are there day in and day out. The cow grows fatter under the farmer's eye. If you are truly diligent and a hard and smart worker then no telling what might happen. Very often your original path will veer into something else. It's my impression that people who invest in startups really invest in the people behind the startup. Were I you I'd look into how hostels make money and how much they make and how they really make it. Be aware of the ceiling. I wonder if just one hostel would do more than buying you a manager's wage. But then again it could be a platform for you to do other things. When I did it, it was really for fun. Ah .. I see you asked for people who did it in the area, I did not. I did it in Chiang Mai.
Czarina ********************
Czarina ********************
I don’t understand why people are laughing, mocking, or being sarcastic instead of providing valuable advise, when they can just scroll and move along if they don’t find it a good deal. 🙃

I say, maybe add to your research is history of the hotel’s sales pre-pandemic, see if it was making good money before—to add as a factor if it’s worth buying/renting. If this is your first time managing something like this, early on maybe find an expert to help you be informed of the logistics, especially staffing. So you can compute how much money you will need to keep it running and if the place can sustain that. 😊
John *******
John *******
@Czarina *******************
Check out the guy’s posting history. You’ll understand. 😆
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
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@Czarina *******************
the whole purpose of me posting here was to maybe find someone who has done this or is currently doing this as I was seeking advice. Some people just want to be internet comedians. I assume that's why they sometimes mock post.

Also it will be near impossible to find out how they were doing since they closed in August of 2020 due to covid.
Giorgio ******
Giorgio ******
Great oportunity !!🤣🤣🤣👍👍
Оливер *********
Оливер *********
@Bruce ********
well, I don't see how this is going to work out for you! I got a few businesses my self in the European tourist industry and I know the Thai market as well!

But, I wish you all the the best that your venture works out!
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
OP
@Оливер ********
good for you. You are not my target customer. Plus you're making judgments without seeing what I have planned if I do take over this spot. With millions of potential tourists coming to Bangkok, all I need are 10 to 20 people per day. There will soon be more than enough business for everyone.
Оливер *********
Оливер *********
@Bruce ********
500 a bed, I would go to a budget hotel for the same price and have TV, Aircon and privat bathroom! Wouldn't be out in the sticks either. Nana and Khaosan area plenty around!
Andy *********
Andy *********
@Bruce ********
Why I offered up good luck to you! The number of tourists in the area is picking up.
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
OP
@Andy ********
as a person who has owned multiple retail businesses in the United States. Competition brings business especially if they're in the surrounding area. It would be up to me to make sure that this can thrive and I can find my own little niche. Even at 50% capacity at 500 baht per bed that would make more than enough to cover my expenses. Factor in selling bottles of beer and snacks. It can do very well
Andy *********
Andy *********
Good luck, whatever you decide. 20 beds? Lot of competition in the area.
Оливер *********
Оливер *********
@Bruce ********
you get 60,000 a month. You need at least three staff. That's your 60,000 already gone, or you wanna change the dirty sheets and do all the cleaning yourself?
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
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@Оливер ********
that's not s lot.
Оливер *********
Оливер *********
@Bruce ********
and you got to pay your staff 20,000 a month each!

Really great opportunity 👍😂
Giorgio ******
Giorgio ******
@Bruce ********
get a recomanded lawyer .

I don't know any !
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
OP
@Giorgio *****
that's why I'm looking for advice.
Giorgio ******
Giorgio ******
@Bruce ********
yes I can understand . Go for it !!!👍👍👍
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
OP
@Giorgio *****
well now you know what I mean. Place has been empty for over a year now. That's why It' peaked my interest
Giorgio ******
Giorgio ******
@Bruce ********
that's different from "BUY".
Bruce *********
Bruce *********
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@Giorgio *****
60,000 baht in rentl for the month. 20 beds and fully furnished already. It does seem like a good opportunity.

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