What are the main differences between the Non-Immigrant O (Pensioner) and Non-Immigrant O-A (Longstay) visas in Thailand?

Jan 11, 2018
7 years ago
Ellie *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Just curious...

What is the big difference (or pros & cons) between "Non-immigrant-O (Pensioner)" and "Non-immigrant O-A (Longstay)" ?
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The main differences between the Non-Immigrant O (Pensioner) and Non-Immigrant O-A (Longstay) visa include the duration of stay and entry conditions. The Non-O visa typically allows for 90-day stays, with the necessity for regular 90-day reporting or exiting the country, while the O-A visa provides a year-long, multi-entry visa allowing for unlimited entries and re-entries, where each entry grants a new 90-day stay initially, later extending many years with proper compliance. Furthermore, the O-A visa can only be obtained from a Thai consulate abroad and requires meeting certain financial criteria, including a medical certificate and police background check.
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Joe ***********
And how many newcomers are not aware of what you just wrote
Joe ***********
You see too familiar with the subject - not realizing that new comers just think that a one year stay is a clear path with no obligations.
Tod *********
probably a lot of them :/

BUT

that still doesn't mean that 90 day reporting has anything to do with the topic of this thread which is the pros and cons between an O-A visa and an O visa ;)
Joe ***********
The 2000 Baht fine is a consequence - sometimes from. ignorance
Joe ***********
Moot except to naive people we see again and again on O-A and METV Visas who think that a 6 month or one year stay means come in a stay
Tod *********
@JD ******
yeah, but failing to do a 90 day report doesn't in any way jeopardize your visa or your ability to stay here. I know people who NEVER do a 90 day report except once a year just before they get their next extension. That's when they pay the 2000baht fine for failing to report the entire year, do one 90 day report get their extension and then never ever report again for the rest of the year.
Joe ***********
Yes it does but my point is naive people sometimes think that they have no obligation to do anything and also know nothing of the general requirement to report. The young American veteran who just rented my upstairs apartment went 37 days over - he said he never knew he had to do anything. He is by far not alone
Tod *********
The thing is on an O-A visa it DOES mean you can come in get stamped in for a whole year and never leave the country if you don't want to during that time.
Tod *********
I think it's not at all relevant to talk about 90 day reporting on this visa. Anyone that stays 90 days on ANY visa in thailand does 90 day reporting so it's a moot point as far as relevance to holding a Non-O-A visa.. You stay 90 days you file a 90 day report, you don't stay 90 days you don't file one.
Tod *********
On a year long, multi-entry Type O-A visa you are stamped in for a calendar year EVERY time you enter the country for the validity of the visa (a year from the date it's issued).
Perdesi ******
if have multientry visa valid for 1 year ,so how many time we can use tht visa?
Stephen *******
Unlimited
Joe ***********
Ellie - the O-A visa is Multi-Entry in the First Year - upon Entry into Thailand you get a permission to stay of 90 days. You must either Exit again or make a 90 day Report to Thai Immigration. The - Stays are 90 days each but the total length (term) of this Visa extends out to 24 months. As far as I know the O-A visa is the only Visa that works this way allowing the option of Exiting and Reentering or a Report at Immigration each 90 days. A final Exit and Reentry done a day or two before the First Year Expiry date takes the Term - Life of the Visa out to another 12 months. Each stay within the life of this Visa is 90 days.
Tod *********
Stop muddying the waters talking about a 90 day report!

Don't confuse doing a 90 day report with the "admitted until" stamp you get on an O-A visa every time you enter

An O-A visa gets you stamped in for a calendar year every time you enter the country for the validity of the visa.

Everyone here on any visa or extension that stays here longer than 90 days is required to do a 90 day report.
Stephen *******
A 90 day report is trivial. Why would you leave?
Joe ***********
In my opinion it is a sequential set of 90 day stays - otherwise why report?
Joe ***********
But if you do not do a 90 day Report or a border bounce then you are not in compliance
Tod *********
that is incorrect. :/ On an O-A visa EVERY TIME you enter Thailand Cansın you're stamped in for a completely new calendar year. There is no 90 day stamps on an O-A visa.
Perdesi ******
hello have a good day ,i have 1 question if some one not mind can i ask ?
Ellie *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@J*
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@T**
you guys sound like totally opposite in some points...

I think I understand basic concept of them hopefully, but on some parts I'm confused a bit....
Joe ***********
In the Second Year the O-A is no longer a Multi-Entry Visa. If you want to leave Thailand in the Second Year - you must purchase a Reentry Permit before leaving Thailand to preserve the Extension period of the O-A Visa.
Joe ***********
The nice thing about the Non Immigrant O-A Visa is that last available Exit and Reentry into Thailand in a few days before the First Year Expiry (Enter before Date) - this assures nearly one full year of Extension.
Joe ***********
As is turns out (in my opinion and estimation) people holding O-A Visas most often opt to just do 90 day Reports (in the First Year) instead of Exiting and Reentering Every 90 days
Joe ***********
I have read reports of people with O-A Visas who prefer the Border bounce method for what ever reason. Some just like the idea of not having anything to do with the local Immigration office
Stephen *******
Well of course. Why would you leave if you can just go to local immigration office and report.
Ellie *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
That means that you get 90 days stamp to stay on each entry with Type O, while 1 year stamp with Type O-A?
Ellie *******
ORIGINAL POSTER
I didn't know about suffix. Good to know. Thanks.
Tod *********
correct (y)

ALL visas for thailand with an A suffix no matter the type get stamped in for one year. ED-A, B-A, O-A etc
Tod *********
Hands down a year-long, multi-entry Non Immigrant Type O-A is worth it's weight in gold over a Non-O visa OR a yearly extension of stay.

That O-A visa is good for a year from the date it's issued. It is good for unlimited entries/exits to thailand with each entry getting you stamped in for a completely new calendar year (which means you can wring TWO years of stay out of a one year visa).

True it can only be gotten from a thai consulate in your home country (or one you hold legal residence in) and it does require a medical certificate and a police back ground check BUT as far as financial requirements you can meet them with your account in your home country (meaning you don't need to open an account here).
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