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What are the best options for obtaining an 'O' Retirement Visa in Thailand after turning 50 while managing currency exchange issues?

Stephen ******
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Hi , I'm sure this has came up time and time again, I'm from the uk and currently on 6 month multi visa ( after extensions wd end April) , I'll be 50 in December and want "o" visa/retirement visa what are my best options to do this? I have money in uk but xchange rate is terrible so reluctant to transfer the 800,00 into my Thai bank unless it was worthwhile. Any advice would be appreciated
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The post discusses the options available for a UK national seeking an 'O' Retirement Visa in Thailand after turning 50. The author is concerned about transferring the required 800,000 THB into a Thai bank account due to unfavorable exchange rates. Comments provide various strategies, including obtaining an income letter from the UK embassy as proof of financial eligibility instead of transferring large sums, utilizing foreign currency accounts in Thailand, and the details of the application process for changing from a tourist visa to a retirement visa.
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Jim *******
Jim *******
Don't bulldoze the thread.
Gary ********
Gary ********
As people have already said writing to the uk embassy sending bank statements p60s etc,to get an income letter is the way to go.
Ron *******
Ron *******
The guy is asking about obtaining a visa without bringing money in.
Gary ********
Gary ********
The guys asking for visa information not to be interrogated over living expenses and earnings thats hes business!
Ron *******
Ron *******
I believe the OP was posting regarding holding funds in a UK account and not proving income of at least
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bht a month?
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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Ok confirmed £9.50 to transfer £20k (in sterling) and no more than 500 baht to take it into a foreign currency account with bk bank. So I'm thinking this is a better way to show the funds for retirement visa, unless ofc you plan on using it. I'm assuming it wd cost the same to transfer back to halifax but need to try clear that up at bk bank ( no easy communicating tho ) I think my next step is get letter from immigration n go to the bank ( preferably with a Thai to help translate it clearly )
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Steve ******
cheers I'll def look into that.
Steve *******
Steve *******
@Ste****
. There's a page on the Bangkok Bank website about transferring funds from abroad. You transfer it from your UK bank to the BB in London, from Lloyds there's no charge. BB then transfer it to your BB account in Thailand(baht or sterling, the choice is yours), max fee 500bt. All done online with internet banking.
Ron *******
Ron *******
There is no option to use Transferwise that I am aware of to send in your own currency from the country you have registered in with them.

The banking system in Thailand although safe, is antiquated in its approach. Hence banks are regional and not national.

Opening more accounts here often involves the same process as your first time. If for instance your branch is in Bangkok and you move to pattaya and wish to have an account in Pattaya to save the ATM fees for drawing outside of Bangkok (15bht a time with Kasikorn) you'll likely have to close the Bangkok account and start the process again in Pattaya, unless they agree to you having 2 accounts of the same nature. It's just how it seems to work here.

There's no guarantee though you won't be in for another load of problems finding a Bank to open the new account. Getting another letter from immigration I would say, is an easy option to open the account you want. They could of done a normal and the easy option for them and just said 'Cannot do'. 😊
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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Btw I use transferwise also. But cdnt see how to transfer in sterling
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Ron ******
yeah I understand that but my idea wd be to leave that there and I could use it to show year on year. Any ideas why they asked for a letter from immigration again? I thought as I've already done it ( for 1st acount) then there would be no need ?
Ron *******
Ron *******
I use the Halifax in the UK and although I don't use them to transfer here as I transfer directly in Thai baht and there rates are rubbish (I use Transferwise) £9.50 sounds right for an International transfer. Just be sure to tell them you actually want it sent in Sterling. 500bht from BKK sounds about right to accept the transfer from the UK BUT there are are more and higher charges if and when you transfer the sterling from the Foreign currency account to the Baht account.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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I went to bkk bank to enquire about foreign currency account and it would be no more than 500baht to transfer £20k strange though they said I would require a letter from immigration to open another account ? I had to do this when opening my first account with them so not sure why I have to do it again? I have someone at home in uk going to find out how much it would cost for halifax bank to transfer £20k here. Reading on google looks like £9.50 but I'll get it confirmed and post later
Ron *******
Ron *******
If you already have an account here then opening a foreign currency account here is easy. There are costs though. It will cost you to transfer from the UK as any transfer would. What charges bkk impose to administer the account, you would need to enquire. I don't know either at which conversation rate immigration use. £20k at today's rate would easily cover 800k even at the worse conversation rate.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Tod ********
so if I put say £20k in a foreign currency account with Bangkok bank that wd do it as proof ? Does it cost to transfer £ from your uk bank? And is it straightforward to open a foreign currency account here? I already have an account with bkk bank
Ron *******
Ron *******
That's the answer then. Problem solved 😊
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Ron ******
, foreigner currency accounts are okay for the financials (y)
Ron *******
Ron *******
You can try but I've never heard of anyone getting it on a bank statement.

Another thought is I wonder if you opened a foreign currency account here at a Thai Bank they would accept that as the 800,000 bht? Basically your money comes in as sterling and sits in the account as sterling and you change it up as and when you want too?
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Ron ******
but maybe they will on the bank balance ?
Ron *******
Ron *******
Argh...i have this feeling they won't issue an income letter on playing poker 😊
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Ron ******
I'm a professional poker player so income is not taxable in U.K. Meaning all earnings are off record so to speak.
Ron *******
Ron *******
Tod I doubt he could get away with splitting his bank account into 12. They want to see a proven income month on month.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Stephen *****
you can't apply for a 90 day Non-O based on being over 50 (retirement) until you're 50 and they take a couple weeks to post the letter to you so I'd say right around your 50th b/d would be good
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Tod ********
thanks, all seems clearer in my head now. Last thing ,at which point should I try obtain this letter from BE, when I'm 50 or before ?
Ron *******
Ron *******
@Stephen *****
if you have a proven income of at least
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bht a month, it isn't a problem.
Tod *********
Tod *********
@Ste****
, It sure can, and in fact other than banking the money here it's the only other way to hit the financial criteria.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Ron ******
cheers hopefully I can do that. Looks relatively straightforward but these things never seem to turn out like that.
Tod *********
Tod *********
Sorry,
@R**
, :/ I didn't mean they just put down any old number like people from the US and about 10 other countries can at their consulate. :O

I meant if he submitted his UK bank statement showing adequate funds when he posted the form to them and divided the balance by 12 to show "monthly income".
Ron *******
Ron *******
@Stephen *****
yes. You will need to meet there criteria to get the letter. That's the issue.
Ron *******
Ron *******
Yes they can Tod but it needs to be properly verified accounts, bank statements and proven income They won't accept you just writing it up on a piece of paper. People can of course go and try but it needs to be properly verifiable.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
OP
So if I obtain this letter from the embassy. I can take it to immigration ( when I'm 50) and this wd help me get an o visa and retirement visa ?
Tod *********
Tod *********
I seem to remember reading somewhere that someone using rental income as the source of the funds on that letter and it went thru.
Ron *******
Ron *******
They want to see income from pension statements and companys or other investments.

For self employed they want to see proper verified accounts. It's not as easy as being a US citizen 😊
Tod *********
Tod *********
I'd call and see if you could show the bank account balance divide it by 12 to show a "monthly" amount. I know the immigration office won't give the paper a second glance as long as it is over 65K baht a month in "income".
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
OP
Am I right in thinking. I only need to prove I have more than 800,00 in a uk bank ( to British embassy) ?
Tod *********
Tod *********
Here's the website that walks you thru how to get the income letter from the UK Consulate.

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Tod *********
Tod *********
I agree with both
@La***
, &
@Rac****
, use the UK consulate here in Bangkok for the proof of income from abroad letter to meet the financials.

Once you turn 50 you can apply to change a tourist visa to a 90 day Non-O visa inside the country when you have at least 15 days left on your current admitted until stamp.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
OP
I'm in Thailand now and have no plans to go back home ( well not for the foreseeable) can it be done from here ?
Tod *********
Tod *********
the verification of income from abroad is done by post here in thailand with the UK consulate.
Martin *********
Martin *********
You won't need 800k in a thai bank yet . If your getting it in London , take bank statements showing your balance etc ... infact if you time it right you can get nearly 2 years without the 800k
Rachael *****************
Rachael *****************
Hi we got retirement visas. The British embassy will do you a letter if you show the money in your uk bank account. The letter costs 2500baht. That letter then you can convert a o visa to a retirement visa. No need to bring your money into Thailand.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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@Jim ******
yeah tx I'm reading through that
Jim *******
Jim *******
Tod has put a link to make it very easy for you,just follow that.
Rachael *****************
Rachael *****************
download the form which has a space for your card details to pay. then we had to post all documents to the embassy which is on wireless road. Posted by ems. They were returned in the post about a week later.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
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I will when it's time to go there but for now I'm just trying to find everything out first
David ************
David ************
You can google it. There's a map and all to look at.
Jim *******
Jim *******
It's in Bangkok.
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
OP
Where is the British embassy ? Was this straightforward?
Lance *******
Lance *******
Use the monthly income route
Ron *******
Ron *******
Nothing to do with getting a visa but without bringing money in, how do you propose to live? Sterling exchange rates are looking likely to not improve for years and according to forecasts haven't yet reached the lows of year end at 38 to the £.

If you planning on living here at pre referendum exchange rates, you seriously need to re-evaluate imo.
Jordan ********
Jordan ********
Euro is 38 -39 though rather be better then them
Tim ******
Tim ******
The gbp may be decreasing, but the usd is hovering around 33 ฿ to $1 usd
Tim ******
Tim ******
lol still better than the us dollar
Vincent *************
Vincent *************
I thought that for an O class you do not need to bring any money in! just apply in the UK show an equivalent of 800,000 baht! But if you want a retirement visa then you have to bring in 800,000!
Ron *******
Ron *******
Living here full time you need money here. You also need a lump for emergency purposes. Having 800,000 baht here to use as your living expenses and set up costs is really nothing. It's probably not even enough for your first year here. Bringing it in as one lump or several isn't going to make a whole lot of difference your going to get on the exchange rate over the next 12 months apart from you looking likely to get less. As I said, the longer you leave it, the more it's looking likely to cost you.
Jordan ********
Jordan ********
So true
Stephen ******
Stephen ******
OP
I just move what I need at any given time. Just didn't want to move a chunk at poor rates to obtain visa( but will if I have too)

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