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Can I obtain a Retirement Visa in Thailand as a Canadian to stay for 5 months and avoid border bounces?

Myron **********
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I'm a 66 year-old Canadian in Thailand presently and looking to return in November for 5 months

I came in on a TR 60 extended it for 30 days and now I'm going to need to do a border bounce

I'm looking for advice if I can do a retirement Visa and which one it would be that would allow me to stay for 5 months out of each year and not have to do the border bounces but merely do a 90 day report

Would I need to get a bank account before I leave Thailand
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A Canadian expat currently in Thailand is seeking advice on obtaining a Retirement Visa that would allow him to stay for 5 months without needing border bounces. Users suggest that a Retirement Visa would permit him to do 90-day reports instead. Detailed instructions are provided for applying for a Non-O Visa leading to a Retirement Extension, which involves opening a bank account and various documentation. Some users note that managing the Retirement Visa process can be more challenging than the TR visa with border bounces.
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Craig *******
Craig *******
I'm in the exact same boat - 5 months in Thailand year and I've come to the conclusion that the retirement visa is much more hassle than TR with border bounce.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Myron *********
STEP-BY-STEP DO-IT-YOURSELF INSTRUCTIONS -- APPLYING FOR RETIREMENT STAY AFTER ARRIVAL IN THAILAND (Must be over age 50): i. You may arrive either Visa Exempt (currently 45-days), or on a 60-day Tourist Visa. ii. Then, immediately after your arrival, you must promptly open a Thai Bank Account, and transfer 800,000 Baht into Thai Bank Account (if married, some Immig. Offices like CM, accept Joint Account with 1.6 Mil. Baht. Also Note, that either Passbook Savings or Fixed Deposit is acceptable, but not Investment Account. Finally note, that some Immig. Offices, but not all - e.g. CM does not -- require proof of foreign source of funds. WISE is an inexpensive, easy & reliable service to transfer funds). iii. Then, you apply for a 90-day Non-O Visa at local Thai Immigration Office. If on Visa Exempt, you use Form TM87, if on Tourist Visa TM86. You are required to apply with minimum 15-21 days remaining on permitted Stay, depending on Office (Chiang Mai, requires 21 days). Requirements: TM87 or TM86 (Note: Fear not, only 1-page Form simple to fill out in English with only basic info., name, address, passport info., arrival info, and stated purpose: "For Retirement"), Must be Over Age 50, 2000 Baht, Copy of all relevant pages of Passport (i.e. Facepage, and Entry Stamp); copy of TM30 (that is the required arrival form that is either completed by your Hotel or Condo, or you do yourself at Immig. Office w/i 24 hrs of arrival); copy of proof of residency (Rental Agreement, or Hotel Reservation -- some offices may not allow if only staying at a HOtel); and most importantly proof of the money in Bank (Copy of Bank Book, and a certified Letter from the Bank usually costing 100 Baht). Above is all simple and straightforward, so no need for spending money on a Visa Service. iv. If all docs. in order, Immig. Office will put a Sticker in your Passport that you are "under consideration", and a date to return to pick up your Visa Stamp (prior to your Stay expiration). v. Next, when you have 30 days remaining on the Non-O (and your Bank Money has "seeded" 60 days -- i.e. stayed on deposit), you go back to Immig. Office to apply for the 1-yr Retirement Extension. Requirements.: TM7 (Req. for Extension of Stay); 1900 Baht, and all other same docs. as above (newly updated of course). And, you will receive 1-yr Extension of Stay -- usually same day, if you arrive in morning. Note: For both processes above, your Bank Passbook Balance must be updated same date as application, and the Bank Letter should be no more than 7 days old -- easiest just to do both same day just before going to Immig. Office). vi. Finally, you should/must get a Re-Entry Stamp -- easiest/best to just do immediately after you get your 1-yr. Extension stamp. It can be single Re-Entry for 1000 Baht, or 3800 Baht for unlimited multiple Re-Entry. The Re-Entry Stamp allows you to leave and return to Thailand, without invalidating your 1-yr Extension. If you fail to do that, then your Extension of Stay is nullified, and you must start the process again. (IMPORTANT: If you want or need to leave Thailand while on the initial 90-Day Non-O, same thing -- must get Re-Entry Stamp.). Hope that is all clear.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Nick *********
Have no idea what you are referring to "switch from non-o to o". Please re-read my Instructions. I believe they are pretty clear, especially in regards to timing.
Nick **********
Nick **********
@Robert ***********
Yes, i understood you probably only meant soonest.

My question was about the latest.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Nick *********
Didn't understand your question obviously. Now that I do, the "latest" would be the date of Expiration of your Non-O. But, definitely not recommended to wait until last minute, in case of problems. Yes, even with clear instructions and rules, you never know when you will run into a "problem" Immig. Officer, who demands some additional documentation, or you simply made a mistake that needs correcting. BTW -- You can at least schedule an Appointment online, which may save you some time waiting at the Immig. Office. And, if you do wait until last day -- again, definitely not recommended -- make your Appointment (or otherwise arrive), at earliest possible time.
Robert ************
Robert ************
First of all, be sure to get a Re-Entry Permit before you leave Thailand, or your current Non-O Visa will be voided and you will have to start again. (And, get another one after you do finally get your 1-yr Extension). Secondly, the soonest you may apply for 1-yr Extension varies between 30-45 days depending on Immigration Office. (And, note, your 800K money in Bank must have been "seeded" for minimum of 2 months prior to application for Extension.
Nick **********
Nick **********
@Robert ***********
I meant from the 90 day retirement to the 1 year.

Yes, they are pretty clear, except for this minor thing...i was just double checking as it is very important in my case as i must go away during the 90 day, and need to know how early i must return.

So perhaps you can indulge me, save me a trip to the office. Thanks.
Nick **********
Nick **********
@Robert ***********
Hi. For the switch from non O to O, did you mean you can do anytime after 30 days to go? If it is approved same day or not much more, you can do very close to the end, i assume? So, it is not at all till the original 15 working day application, right? Thanks
Robert ************
Robert ************
If it would be helpful to you, I can Post simple do-it-yourself step-by-step Instructions for obtaining the Retirement Visa, after arrival on a TR or Visa Exemption. Just ask.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Myron *********
That's up to you. But if you are able to open Thai Bank Acct. and make 800K Deposit, it will then be easy to simply obtain your Retirement Visa (Non-O) after arrival -- probably with less "fuss" than trying to obtain from Embassy abroad. Either way, you must then apply for the 1-yr Extension after your arrival, with basically same requirements. Again, if you want me to Post instructions, just ask. Otherwise, I won't.
Myron **********
Myron **********
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@Robert ***********
Yes please post your requirements I love to see them and thank you so much for your help
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Helen *******
As I said, USA, UK and Aussie, no longer provide Income Affidavit. If you can get one as Canadian, good on you. Be advised, the Immig. Office may still request/require you to also provide backup documentation to prove income (from pension). In any case, all other steps of my Instructions apply.
Helen ********
Helen ********
@Myron *********
as a Canadian you can get an affidavit of income from the CAD Embassy in BKK with proof of income form from CRA. It's currently not necessary to deposit ฿800k in a Thai bank account.
Robert ************
Robert ************
@Myron *********
Will do. See below. You're quite welcome.
Myron **********
Myron **********
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@Robert ***********
I'm thinking about getting bank account before I leave and doing this from Canada
Greg ********
Greg ********
Yes a retirement based visa will allow you to stay and just do 90 day reports. Ideally yes you should open a Thai bank account now if you can
Myron **********
Myron **********
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@Greg *******
Thank you I'm going to do that I appreciate your advice
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Myron *********
the retirement extension is good for one full year, so you could come and go as you please. But you will need either multi-entry pass or single entry each time you leave and wish to retire. I don’t ever go back to Canada, but travel a lot outside Thailand and return.

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