What should I do if flagged for multiple visa exempt entries into Thailand?

Feb 21, 2018
7 years ago
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Yesterday I flew into BKK after a week in Singapore and was scolded by the immigration officer for not having a tourist visa. She said a warning or flag of some sort was on her screen. She let me in with a strong warning to get a tourist visa the next time. She also said I should/must (not sure which) get it in my home country (USA).

I did a search in the group and Tod Daniels once wrote that there is a computer program in place at the international airports which "flags" people who have more than 3 or 4 visa exempt entries. I guess that is my current situation. In fact, I was warned once already, but that was more than a year ago and since then I have gotten a SETV, a METV, and one border bounce exemption (Mae Sai). So, I thought perhaps I might be OK to fly back from Singapore with a visa exemption but apparently I was wrong.

For more info, my first warning came after my fifth visa exempt air entry. The first entry was on my very first trip to Thailand 4.5 years ago and then I had a string of four in a row (visiting Philippines, Bali, Hong Kong and finally Myanmar). So, my first warning came in Sept 2016 after my Myanmar trip. This trip to Singapore was visa exempt air entry number six.

So, my questions:

1. Is this "flag" permanent? Will I never be allowed to fly in and get a visa exemption again? I don't mind getting a tourist visa but I would like to visit some countries where doing so might be inconvenient so if there is some way to get my status "reset" in the system, that would be ideal.

2. The IO said that I needed to get my visa from my home country. Do you think that was her opinion/suggestion or a direct statement of fact? I would like to visit some more SE Asia and/or European countries rather than going back to the U.S. if possible.

3. What about a land crossing? They didn't say anything when I crossed the border at Mae Sai in December. Are the systems for flight and land entry not the same? Would I likely still be eligible for two land crossings in a calendar year?

FWIW, I have always tried to follow the rules as I know them to exist (including from what I read on this group) and I do not work in Thailand (and have never done so), nor did I get the impression that the IO suspected otherwise (if they did they didn't say anything of that nature).

Thanks for any clarification or help you can provide.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
A traveler recently experienced issues at Bangkok Airport due to having multiple visa exempt entries. They were warned by an immigration officer about needing a tourist visa for future entries, particularly emphasizing obtaining it in their home country. Concerns about a possible permanent flag on their immigration record were raised along with questions regarding the necessity of obtaining a visa from the USA versus other countries, and whether land crossings would be treated differently. Multiple users in the discussion provided insights on the immigration flagging system and shared personal experiences regarding visa regulations and considerations for future travel.
James ***********
Just my opinion, but someone more cluey will probably chip in soon also.

1. They obviously have your history on file, so (if) they look back, unfortunately, they seem to be equating travellers with many V exempt entries as people getting up to nefarious behaviour.

ie. working illegally.

If you dont have any more VE's for at least 12 months i think you will be ok, but who knows.

2. Maybe they were hinting about METV, which is a longer term visa you can only get from your home country.

Visiting other S.E.Asian countries is ideal if you intend coming back to Thailand intermittently, as you can get single entry visas from each of the countries you visit.

At least that will make you look like more of a legit tourist ( in their eyes).

I wouldnt be trying any more visa exempts tho!

3. As a general rule they say 2 per year, but with your history and the low cost of visas, i wouldnt risk it.

IMO, i dont think its the land entries so much, but if you get flagged at an airport, or if some stroppy IMM officer is having a bad day sees your history, they might give you grief.

IMO again, i guess they have various reasons to consider people who get many VE's as dodgy.

- it may look as though you are avoiding the scrutiny of getting a proper visa.

-they suspect you might not be able to comply with the visa conditions.

-could be a criminal or up to no good.

-havent got the money for a visa, therefor cant support yourself..

-which then they will suspect you are working illegally.

Myself, i have a LONG history of tourist visas but never even 1 exempt, which i think is a factor in never being asked any questions
Steve ********
I have never had a Thai visa as such , but about 12 visa exempt entries. No extensions . All air arrivals , sometimes 5 in a year . No hassles .
Tod *********
Surprisingly of all the people who were taken aside, talked to, told to get real visas, told they went over the imagined limit of time here on visa exempts, or tourist visas ONLY a handful of people were denied entry.

They were ALL people who had extensive histories of living here on back-2-back tourist visas or visa exempt entries and who could not meet the proof of funds (20K baht in cash) when asked. That's what reason was put on their denial of entry stamps. It wasn't because they had too many visa exempt stamps, too many tourist visas, were suspected of working here, but it was but failure to meet the financial requirements and show they could support themselves while they were here.
Michael ********
Yes I have never had issues through fast track.....Anyways....hopefully no problems soon with a child visa.
Michael ********
I have been professionally dressed and harrassed by female IOs....but yes when I fly business class (sadly not all the time) there are never issues......If I could get a long term visa I would...but there are no affordable provisions for under 50s....already had ED visas......Anyways now have a kid, I will follow that route....if no kids, not married, under 50, do not want to pay for Elite, etc.....you are screwed...
Michael ********
555 Robert. Plenty of men though. I am talking about at the airport specifically. I started going to only men about 2 years ago and have had no problems since. The few years before that I had problems on a number of occasions with the female IOs, ONLY females, never males. It does not seem to be a coincidence. Look at most of the posts when people say they had problems. 99% always start the story with SHE.....it is my new system and it is working so far :)
Amornrat **********
@Jeff *****
not every Thai Embassy in Europe will issue you a visa, a few have restrictions which I do not know in details. Best to select an area and send request to that Embassy or (preferable) Consulate.
Michael ********
Avoid women IOs....Not being sexist....but they are way more nasty in my experience in Thailand. I always go to male Officer (after having a few problems with the female ones repeatedly). Never had a problem since. Again just my personal experience...
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
Great. Just to go off-topic a bit, do you know if any locations in Europe are hassle-free to get a SETV? I am thinking a trip there would be a nice break, possibly to Italy if I can find a good flight.
Tod *********
@Jeff *****
nope, you just had a cranky officer, you should skate thru just fine .
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tod ********
, I do plan to get a tourist visa on my next trip and I always carry the 20K so it sounds like I should be OK. But, just be clear, if I choose to get that visa in any country other than my home country, you don't foresee any issues?
Luke ******
Jeff -Would you mind me asking if those 4 in a row were extended at local Immigration?
Jim *******
Correct Tod.Ubon Joe doesn't ever enter into all the other nonsense. .!
Luke ******
Yeah I believe what happened in Jay Nase's case is, because he spends short periods of time on visa exempt, at some point a supervisor IO did an override of the computer, so it's likely (again a guess) he will not get flagged again. I believe they did not override yours because you are spending extended periods of time here. Chances are they won't, it's not something I believe you can request, although you can try your luck.

Changing your passport may help, but there are no guarantees, as Tod said they are linked, Immigration can have access to your whole history, whether it resets the VE count though remains a mistery to me. I am of the opinion that something must reset it, it can't go on like this for say the next 20 years, they'd be overwhelmed with overriding the computers in a not so distant future.
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Luke *******
The SETV from Penang was a bit of a mess as I crossed by sea from Langkawi and the IO missed my visa and stamped me in on a visa exempt, which I didn't notice until later and had to get corrected at the immigration office, but no, I didn't get questioned on that entry. I also got no questions on any of my METV entries. This was my first attempt at a visa exempt air entry since then.
Luke ******
But they did not flag or question you on those entries did they?
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Luke *******
I did get a SETV in Penang and then a METV from my home country after my first warning and that did not seem to have reset the flag.
Luke ******
They can see the history, but I am referring specifically to what algorithm triggers a computer warning, and what resets that. I had long talks about this on the other forum. I am of the opinion that a new passport would reset the visa exempt trigger warning, or a tourist visa (perhaps issued in one's home country). This is based on hearsay evidence and various suggestions from IO's to mix visa exempts with SETVs, and in Jeff Blum's particular case, to maybe have a tourist visa issued in his home country. This is speculation I know, but it's the best we can work with.
Tod *********
@Lu**
, AFAIK nothing does, except maybe changing your name by deed poll and getting a new passport.

Their data base can search by DOB, country of origin, surname, passport number and will match to people who get new passports.

They can see your entry history going back years and years if they want to on the system.
Luke ******
I guess the million dollar question is, what resets the count huh.
Tod *********
The program was designed to stop people living here on back-2-back visa exempt entries (whether they are extended or not doesn't matter). Unfortunately the system was not designed to take into account the amount of time out of the country between visa exempt entries. Which meant a LOT of people who spend considerable amount of time out of the country between their visa exempt entries were getting flagged by the system.

I still am of the mind that an extension doesn't flag the system, but whether it does or not I'd say if you were flagged once there is a good chance at some point you will be again especially at Don Mueang, Suvarnabhumi or Phuket airports.
Luke ******
Tod Daniels we are not talking about rules, we are talking about computer flags, that only Immigration is aware of. We can only guess what triggers the computer based on hearsay evidence. People are still let through even when flagged, but interviewed.
Tod *********
@Luke *******
, they are misquoting a long expired rule about the amount of time you can be in the country during a 6 month period. YEARS ago it was you could get three 30 day visa exempt entries in a 6 month period. Some immigration officers were tryin' to tell people that you can only stay in thailand on tourist visas 6 months out of a year. BUT there is no rule.

As far as credible posts on there, about the only person I believe as far as advice is ubonjoe (although there are a few knowledgeable posters who give advice)
Luke ******
Based on hearsay evidence it should be at 6 visa exempt. But i believe there is an additional trigger on 30 day extensions.
Luke ******
@Tod ********
I promiss you I have read a post of an individual that was credible stating that the IO in the airport told him that he triggered a warning based on the fact he had 3 extensions in 6 months or something similar. I will look into it later and come back to this. I will need to locate that particular post.
Tod *********
@Lu**
, it's not the extensions that flag at the airport it's once you hit a specific number of visa exempt entries.
Luke ******
@Tod ********
They don't no, but as an active member on a different Thai Visa forum - :) - I believe I recall evidence from an individual where a certain number of extensions also triggered the computer in the airport. Will have to look back, difficult to find it now I believe it has been a year since then.
Tod *********
as a rule the immigration office doesn't say word one to people for getting 30 day extensions on visa exempt entries.
Luke ******
I cannot give you a definite answer but there seems to be a flag on either 6 visa exempts or the 3rd or 4th extension in a row. I believe you triggered the extension flag.
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Yes,
@Luke *******
, I do tend to stay the full 30 and then extend 30 before heading off to see a new country so my situation is a bit different than that of
@Jay *****
. FWIW, I have never had any scolding when applying for the extensions.
Jason ******
I have over 12 Visa exempt entries in my lifetime, I was like you.. the first few trips to Thailand I only stayed 3 days and left, then came back. I racked up 5 visa exempts within a year and started staying long term and was told to get a Tourist Visa. But really, you don't need a Tourist Visa unless you plan on staying for 60 days. If you fly in/out and only stay a few days, the amount of times are unlimited by air. I only buy a Tourist Visa when I have no travel plans and plan to stay 60 days or longer. If I travel and come back without a visa because I plan to travel again shortly, I just tell the officer that next week I'm leaving and they understand. If they ask how long your staying and its more than 30 days then its a better deal to get the Tourist visa
Tod *********
all the border entry points have the same data base, and you just got a persnickety officer. There is no real rule on the number of visa exempt entries you can get when entering by air (although there is a limit of TWO 30 day visa exempt entry stamps by land in a calendar year).

Many people who were called on the carpet by an immigration officer when stamping into the country at an airport, were cautioned to get a tourist visa did not get one and had no problem re-entering the country by air after that.

You just caught a officer in a bad mood. Now be advised they can ask you for proof of funds, proof of onward travel within 30 days & proof of a hotel or confirmed lodging if they want to when you stamp in BUT there is no rule, you are flagged by the system and probably will be questioned again when you enter visa exempt by air.
Tom ************
I had the same experience November just gone. I went to Laos to get an SETV and flew back domestically from Udon Thani and all was ok
Stuart ***********
I had a bad experience last year when in bkk airport...i was only there on transit to Cambodia..she had to know everything, and i had quite a bad journey anyway...so i pulled out my hotel and onward travel ..the lady next just laughed...but it was not really pleasant and not any need for it
Tan ************
Look at it as, they are all attempting to put fear in you so you will offer some goodwill.

It's the game they play
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
@Tan ***********
Yes, I always try to be polite/respectful but I must admit I sort of felt like a criminal while getting scolded. I would definitely prefer to avoid that situation again if possible.
Tan ************
It's BKK.

They are uniquely like that, since 2016.

Nothing new.

But nothing will happen to you too.

Just play along, let her trash it on you.
Jeff ******
ORIGINAL POSTER
Thanks
@Tod ********
. So, is that flag forever?

I do always carry 20K baht and proof of funds and onward travel just in case, but she didn't ask for any of that. Her scolding was pretty menacing 55 and she did say a few times that I needed to get a tourist visa in my home country.

Have you ever heard of them denying entry rather than just scolding?

If all the entry database systems are the same, then if I border bounce to Mae Sai they could also scold or deny me entry?
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