What are the visa options for American seniors in Thailand and how can they obtain a Certificate of Entry?

Feb 25, 2021
4 years ago
Gene **********
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New question?

I am a 70 year old American!

Looking at the consulte General website it appears I have 3 choices of visas: (no plans to work , or study and no Thai family).

Non-Immigrant O-A

Tourist TR single

Tourist TR multiple METV

Is this correct?

Also how do I obtain a Certificate of Entry?

Thanks
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An American senior interested in moving to Thailand has three main visa options: the Non-Immigrant O-A visa, the Non-Immigrant O visa, and tourist visas (TR), either single or multiple entry. It's advisable to consider the Non-O visa for longer stays without the health insurance requirement of the Non-OA. To enter Thailand, obtaining a Certificate of Entry (COE) is necessary, along with other health documentation due to Covid-19.
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Gene **********
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So regardless how you go you have to quarantine!

And currently have to have the following to enter?

COE

Fit to Fly

Health Declaration Form

Negative Covid test

Medical insurance/ Covid insurance

Does this sound correct??
Michael *********
@Gene *********
is a round trip ticket required if your goal is to retire in Thailand?
Bobby ********
Michael Asquino. If you have a longstay visa you don't need an onward journey
Michael *********
@Bobby *******
yes but if I go as a US tourist who will later obtain a marriage visa that's the question. Immigrantion wants to see a return ticket if I don't have the marriage visa
Bobby ********
Michael Asquino. Ok so you only have a tourist visa, which is short stay, so you may need to show onward journey. You mentioned retirement so I assumed you were coming on a retirement visa. It's up to the airline when checking in if they accept a tourist without a return ticket. Generally they won't, as they have to take responsibility for your return if you are denied entry. There is a YouTube video somewhere of someone who this happened to a couple of years ago.
Michael *********
I'm hoping theirs going to be major changes coming to enter Thailand when I finally get back at the end of June
Michael *********
@Michael ********
I'm already trying to figure out how I'll get back. But it appears things are starting to change already
Michael *********
I forgot to mention, June
Edna *******
Harry ****
are they eliminating the quarantine for vaccinated people?
Michael ********
@Harrison ******
No think most countries are waiting and see what results are. Its all new for everyone
Gene **********
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@Harrison ******
just talk for now?
Bobby ********
Harrison Huang. Not in the near future.
David *********
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Ryan ********
Currently the Multiple Entry tourist visa is not an option (embassy's are not issuing it).

You're other option is the STV (special Tourist Visa) this gives you up to 9 months or travel in thailand
Gene **********
ORIGINAL POSTER
To all haven’t decided how long to stay? That’s why I asked are these they here visas I can apply for?
Garrett ***********
@Ge**
I mean a tourist visa is good for 60 days (can extend 30 more in country). The METV is good for 6 months but requires you to leave the country every 60 days. I don't believe the embassies are currently issuing them. The Non-OA is good for 1 year, but requires health insurance approved by the Thai government.

There's also the Elite visa, about $18k usd but good for 5 years and doesn't have any requirements.
Garrett ***********
How long are you looking at staying? There is a Non-O, but honestly the Non-OA is the better option in my opinion.

You get the COE online, it's burred in the embassies website.
JD ********
Getting started with the Non Imm O-A requires only the bank account in the home country... easier. And should the Thai Border and Neighbor country borders open up - a border run will get the Non O-A visa holder the extra year with no Extension expense. Plus some people may not decide to stay year after year.
George *************
A story of two people Oscar and Andy. Obviously, everyone now requires Covid insurance to enter Thailand so I won't make that part of the story.

Oscar gets a Non-O visa in America (if that is possible for purposes of retirement) and arrives in Thailand. He opens a bank account and transfers 800,000 baht equivalent into his Thai bank account. He applies for and receives a year extension of permission to stay (for 1,900 baht). He can do the same year after year without ever needing to leave Thailand (he can if he wants to, but doesn't have to) nor does he need to ever purchase health insurance that is approved by Thai Immigration (again, he can purchase health insurance if he wants to but is not required to do so).

Andy gets a Non-OA visa in America. He must have health insurance that satisfies Thai Immigration (something Oscar did not need). He arrives in Thailand and is given permission to stay for one year. At the end of that year, he has to either apply for an extension to stay (just like Oscar, but unlike Oscar, he has to continue to purchase Thai health insurance that satisfies Thai Immigration) or he has to leave and re-enter Thailand (currently that would require a 2-week stay in quarantine). He would have to fly somewhere where there is no quarantine in effect so he could avoid a 2-week quarantine in that destination and then fly back into Thailand and undergo another 2-week stay in quarantine. After going through that process (not exactly convenient to my way of thinking) he would again have another year of permission to stay in Thailand. After that year he would either have to do exactly what Oscar did (except unlike Oscar he must still purchase Thai health insurance) and get an extension of stay by opening a Thai bank account, funding it with 800,000 baht, paying 1,900 for the extension. Or, he would have to go all the way back to the US to obtain another Non-OA visa and repeat this whole process again (of course, involving another 2-week stay in quarantine in Thailand plus any requirements for that the US might impose depending of course on there being any airlines willing to carry passengers from Thailand to the US and back. For as long as Andy wishes to stay in Thailand he will forever be required to purchase Thai health insurance (something that becomes incredibly expensive or impossible the older you get), something that Oscar will not be required to do.

I'm guessing Oscar doesn't think Andy has a more convenient way of staying in Thailand. ;-)
Todd ********
@George ************
I highly doubt a two week quarantine will be required, when re-entering Thailand in March of 2022 (1 year from now)...
George *************
My point is that if you are going to be in Thailand for years and years, a Non-O lets you do that without purchasing Thai health insurance approved by Thai Immigration, while a Non-OA does require you to do so.

The advantages of having a Non-OA disappear if it is not convenient to do a border run (air or land) to get another year extension of stay. And getting another Non-OA requires you to obtain it from your home country (US) which is certainly not convenient to do so under normal circumstances, much less during the pandemic.

If you are staying in Thailand why would you prefer a Non-OA visa over a Non-O visa when the Non-OA requires that you purchase something the Non-O doesn't?
George *************
@Todd *******
If you'd asked me in February of 2020 I would have highly doubted that a two-week quarantine would be required in February of 2021. ;-)
Garrett ***********
@George ************
Thailand just got their first shipment of vaccine today. No way this is still a thing in 12 months.
George *************
@Garrett **********
I hope everything gets back to normal as soon as possible. But I've thrown out my crystal ball because it has proven to be defective. ;-)

But my point was that there are sound reasons to prefer a Non-O over the Non-OA just because of the Thai health insurance requirement that Thai Immigration has imposed on the Non-OA but not on the Non-O.

And, unfortunately, the pandemic has made the Non-OA even less desirable now because due to quarantines and such it is now much harder to leave and re-enter Thailand, which is necessary to take full advantage of the Non-OA (you can get almost two years permission to stay out of a single Non-OA visa if you do a border run just before it expires after the first year).

In the past Non-OA did have advantages over Non-O, but with the ongoing insurance requirement and the pandemic making entering Thailand more difficult they have all disappeared, in my opinion.
George *************
@Garrett **********
The advantage of the Non-O, if it can be obtained in America for purposes of retirement, is that it does not automatically come with the requirement for health insurance that accompanies the Non-OA visa. Therefore, the cost and convenience of a Non-O visa may well outweigh that of a Non-OA.
Garrett ***********
@Geo***
Cost yes, connivance no. Needing insurance for covid anyway, I'd really put my money on a Non-OA coming out maybe $300 more expensive than a Non-O, but not needing to deal with opening a bank account, transferring in 800k baht, and applying for the yearly extension.
Gene **********
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Gene **********
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@Garrett **********
yes O-A

I will look

Thx
Joe ******
First you need to apply for a visa
Gene **********
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@Joe *****
I see!
Joe ******
In UK CoE was easy .Done mine all in one morning online..

As long as you got all the information to upload.
Joe ******
@Gene *********
co vid insurance.

Asq hotel booking. Flight confirmation. An address where you will be staying.
Joe ******
I just did mine in uk
Bobby ********
How long do you want to stay for?
Gene **********
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@Bobby *******
not sure yet?
Bobby ********
Gene Franklin. Ok. So you can get the 45-day visa exempt stamp, which can be extended a further 30 days, giving total of 75 days (including quarantine). At the other end of the scale you can buy a 10-year Elite Visa. And there's a few others in between.
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