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What are the risks of frequent border hopping in Thailand without a long-term visa?

Chris ********
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I am a US citizen who’s dating a Thai citizen and we are trying to get her a US visa but it does not look good. I may be coming back to Thailand and stay with her for a while while we figure things out. It seems like some have said that if you come and go from Thailand every 60 days for a border bounce the immigration people will eventually take notice. Will I have a problem coming and going with no visa if I do the 30 or 45 day initial and then the 30 day extension then bounce and repeat? Will they eventually hassle me if I do it too many times? Thanks
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A US citizen discussing their relationship with a Thai citizen seeks advice on obtaining a US visa for their partner while considering staying in Thailand long-term through repeated border hopping. While some responses suggest that short-term entries may initially work, there is a consensus that over time, frequent border crossings can attract the attention of immigration authorities, potentially leading to complications or denial of entry. Alternatives such as obtaining a long-term visa, an educational visa, or even marriage to facilitate longer stays were also suggested, along with the complexities involved in processing US visas for Thai nationals.
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Edwin ********
Edwin ********
I once knew a guy (back in 1987 or so) who was upset because the US Embassy figured out that his Thai girlfriend had been a prostitute and denied her entry. When I checked with the Vice Consul in Bangkok (yes, I was bold back then, and back then it was still possible to talk to actual people in the US Embassy), the Vice Consul explained that the idea was to get her history on record so that nobody could try to blackmail her later, and the friend's next step was to appeal the ruling. I do not know if a similar issue applies here, but it might be worth the poster's time to find a way to check, just in case.
Rei ***********
Rei ***********
Marc ********
Marc ********
My theory is if you do the border hopping by air you can do it much longer before an IO even will find fault.

You might can do it for quite a good while

You can get a 6 months multi entry visa in Cambodia. Your GF can go to Cambodia with you aswell when it is time to stay out of Thailand for a while
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@Marc *******
is this the job seeker visa I read about? Yes, that was on my radar for sure
Marc ********
Marc ********
@Chris *******
yes you can call it that way.
Jeremy ********
Jeremy ********
Get the 6 month METV if you meet the requirements before you arrive…if not get the 60 day SETV visa with a border hop (fly not ground) you can get 105 days out of it…
Jean *******
Jean *******
Ask her boyfriend how he does it.
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
@Jean ******
bell end
Jean *******
Jean *******
@Chris ********************
he sure is if he ain't sharing
Jean *******
Jean *******
@Chris ********************
. Well your lucky. Cause as u know unless she is one like what u got, there is a 80% chance. It isn't a joke.
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
@Jean ******
not a touchy subject for me a all my wife is a jungle bunny as I call them never seen the bright lights of Bangkok or Pattaya.

People who are uneducated need help not piss take pal
Jean *******
Jean *******
@Chris ********************
. From my recent behaviour very likely. Lol.

Come on mate it's a joke and it's Thailand. You know how 80% of them. Call it humour immitating life. You sure have lost your sense of men taking the piss. Or is it a touchy topic for you.
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
@Jean ******
where did you meet your girlfriend
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
@Jean ******
why are you is that why you know so much
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
Here is the problem with most suggested solutions. I have a conviction in the US from a long time ago that eliminates the possibility of any visa, even the Ed visa (which I just learned today). We just want to find a way to be together long term but it will not be easy from what a I have been reading
John **********
John **********
@Chris *******
incorrect. I have a felony conviction and was able to obtain ED Visa
John **********
John **********
Hmm I've not heard this personally and word spreads like wildfire here in Thailand
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@John *********
Here is exactly what they sent me: it’s like a few things in Thailand where it’s always been there but not so strictly enforced. A couple of weeks ago Immigration called a large meeting with all schools to clamp down on those using ED visas with criminal records who then go on to do illegal activities in Thailand. We want to make that clear now so applicants know. Some schools may reveal it later.

If you are able to enter Thailand on a tourist visa then this will screen you with the same method, but unfortunately we don’t know the outcome of that until you attempt to enter the country.

It means that you could try to come to Thailand on Tourist Exemption or Visa depending on your nationality and preference, then convert within the country. It may cost a little more than applying outside of Thailand but would be more of a guarantee before committing to a course and package.

Unfortunately we don’t have much guidance on other visa types. 🙏🏻
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@John *********
I was looking online at schools and one (New Stanford School) made it clear that applicants should not have a criminal record. When I messaged them and asked they said that immigration recently had a big meeting and decided to crack down on people with records using ED visa to easily get into the country. I’ll see what else I can learn about that
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@John *********
they just sent me that info
John **********
John **********
@Chris *******
this is news to me
Karim ****
Karim ****
@John *********
no one ever mentioned a criminal record check when i spoke to multiple schools, will signup soon and find out i guess
John **********
John **********
@Karim ***
only colleges ask. Not the language schools
Jeremy ********
Jeremy ********
@Chris *******
you will be a border hopper until the immigration officer(s) say no more…you can always get married 😂😂
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@Jeremy *******
Getting married is a possibility but it wouldn’t help the situation . That opens the door to applying for a long term visa but the conviction would eliminate that possibility
Ryan ***********
Ryan ***********
@Chris *******
Your only hope is tea money
Kool *******
Kool *******
If you are not returning to the US regularly then you are going to have problems trying to stay long term as a tourist. There are a number of people that work 2 months on, one month off, or three months on, and 1-2 months off, that live in Thailand on their time off. They have no problems over the course of years doing it, but if you are going to try and stay long term in Thailand by crossing borders and returning in just a day, or two, you will have problems before the end of the first year doing it.

As far as her visa to the US, that takes along time, mostly because of the extensive DHS investigation, into both you, and her. Their biggest concern is her returning to Thailand at the end of her vacation, that she has never been involved with anything that could be intercepted as prostitution, and most of all, that she isn't being trafficked. It can take over a year, and doesn't matter if you are married, or not, the same standards apply, except the returning. An agent can help with all the paperwork, but can not guarantee anything, as the US agents can't be bribed.
Ben *****
Ben *****
If you're under 50 get an ED visa and learn the language, thatll give you a full year or more. If you're 50 or over, get a retirement visa.
Eric **********
Eric **********
Join this group. Tons of info and help.
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Allan ********
Allan ********
Did u meet in Thailand or the US?
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
@Allan *******
we met before I arrived in Thailand but we spent a few months together there
Chris ********
Chris ********
OP
Yes I am constantly trying to prep her for failure. I don’t like it
Harry *********
Harry *********
@Chris *******
just think if she was illegal Mexican migrant, it would be no big deal they would even pay for a hotel and transportation. Weird, huh
Ryan ***********
Ryan ***********
@Harry ********
or African or South American
Ryan ***********
Ryan ***********
@Chris *******
Good Luck my wife and I have been married for 3 years we both have assets and she has land here and sit on the board of directors of a company here and the embassy is still making us wait 15 months for a green card and it’s not guaranteed.

PS. Thai have a bad reputation for overstaying in the us the one from the past ruined it for the present and future Thais
Allan ********
Allan ********
@Chris *******
if she hasn’t lived worked or travelled in the US it will be a lot harder.
Jeh *****
Jeh *****
If you haven't already read it; The book "Thailand Fever" is a requirement!

Don't pass it by. It can help save years on your life, many tears and dollars. Couples should read it anything else; the book is written concurrently and thai in English.
Clint ********
Clint ********
@Jeh ****
Great Book.
Charles ********
Charles ********
If you want to stay longer, I definitely encourage going to a Thai language school, which can get you a Ed visa for about a year. You get to learn Thai and a great deal of culture understanding.. This can only help your relationship with her and her family, give you a visa, and learn a new language. A true win, win, win.
Henry ***********
Henry ***********
I arrived as visa on arrival from USA for 30 days. Got a 30 day extension at local immigration for 1900bht. Then got the last COVID extension for 30 days in Phuket. I left Thailand and flew to Cambodia for 3 days. When I flew back into Thailand the immigration pulled me over and was not thrilled about my time in Thailand and said I need to get a long term visa or I might have issues in the future. My girlfriend did most of the talking and I told immigration I was planning on leaving in less than 20 days back to USA anyway. I was honest and told him I want to do 6 months in Thailand and 6 months in USA. Then eventually get Thai retirement visa. It also helped that I explained to him my girlfriend had to go back to USA to keep her green card status. Losing that would be a disaster so he knew we were leaving based on the timeframe.
Thomas ************
Thomas ************
Long waits for processing these days
Karl ********
Karl ********
My Thai girlfriend’s sister has married a US citizen and she lives in Minnesota. I’ll ask her the exact procedure
Todd *********
Todd *********
@Kal *******
can’t imagine trying to explain to a Thai citizen that life is better in Minnesota 😂😂😂
William *******
William *******
@Todd ********
I think all Thai people want snow ❄️ until they live in it 🤣🤣
Todd *********
Todd *********
@William ******
yes exactly! They want the Insta pix and GTFO ASAP 😂
Cliff *********
Cliff *********
Getting a lady from a country like Thailand to the USA is extremely difficult unless she has a very strong reason to go home.

They assume she will jump ship and disappear.

She needs these things: older age, lots of money, a good job, a house, a car, children, husband, travel history to the West (Europe or Oz).

Getting married in Thailand doesn’t cut it either….

Good luck!
William *******
William *******
@Cliff ********
A $1000 campaign fund donation to your congressman followed by a discussion with the congressman’s aide regarding your situation might be helpful in obtaining a visa for your friend. That was the acceptable donation at the turn of the century.
Cliff *********
Cliff *********
@William ******
which century?

5555
William *******
William *******
@Cliff ********
Less then twenty years ago. I don’t know what the current acceptable donation is but $1000 is probably sufficient.
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
Ryan Dickerson why laughing face
John **********
John **********
@Chris ********************
I would imagine the laughing face bc of the 14 yrs ago. Things have changed.
Chris *********************
Chris *********************
@Cliff ********
don't know if it's the same as UK and things might have changed, but it was easy to get my wife a visa 14 years ago
Mithlesh *********
Mithlesh *********
@Cliff ********
what about K1 visa?
Cliff *********
Cliff *********
@Mithlesh ********
this is reportedly quite difficult also.

You need to show a long term relationship and commitment to make a lasting marriage.

Again, the concern is she will jump ship and disappear or be abandoned and unable to support herself.

"A K-1 visa is a visa issued to the fiancé or fiancée of a United States citizen to enter the United States. A K-1 visa requires a foreigner to marry his or her U.S. citizen petitioner within 90 days of entry, or depart the United States….Wikipedia ".
John ***********
John ***********
Someone has Thai fever!
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
Plain and simple, you cannot live in Thailand long term without a long term visa.

You'll be fine doing visa exempt entry or Tourist visa entry 2, maybe even 3 times, but after that they are going to start hassling you and possibly deny you entry to Thailand. A tourist does not stay in a country for 6+ months, so if you are doing that you are basically admitting to lying about your intentions and they will also assume you are working illegally.

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