What are the differences between a Non-O visa and a Non-OA visa in Thailand, and what are the insurance implications for those over 70?

Oct 20, 2021
3 years ago
Bryn ********
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What is the difference between a non-o visa and a non-oa visa? I scrolled through the insurance category trying to find insurance rates without any luck. Any idea on insurance prices. Also, are there age limitations for those over 70. In some countries 70 is a cutoff age to apply for a new insurance policy.
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TLDR : Answer Summary
The Non-O visa is primarily for individuals who may be married to a Thai national, raising children, or over 50, allowing multiple single entries with no health insurance needed. The Non-OA visa, meant for those over 50, requires proof of financial stability and medical insurance, allowing for multiple entries and a year-long stay per entry. Discussions also hint at insurance limitations for individuals over 70, indicating that insurance companies have their own policies regarding age.
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Benjamin ******
I"m shutting this down, since this post has gotten far off the rails. Thank you.
Darren ********
I have often wondered

They do have different requirements and paperwork

Is there an advantage with an OA ?

I came here with an O for retirement.

It just seemed like less paperwork
Craig ********
@Darren *******
If you got your non immigrant O visa in Thailand the insurance requirement doesn’t apply it only applies if you got it at a Thai Embassy/Consulate in your own country.
Mike ***********
I'm still confused, I've been here for more than 15 years on what seems to be a non O extension based on retirement, I got it here in Thailand. While I have some health insurance I am too old to get any Thai cover and western cover will take all of my income. What will happen when I go to renew my extension in February? ( I am married to a Thai if that helps).
Robert ***********
@Mike **********
, nothing as this insurance change affects retirees who are holders of Non - O-A visa extensions.
Richard *******
The past 15 years I have gotten a Non-immigrant O multiple entry visa in the US every year. It was good for 90 days and then I would go up to the Laotian border and turn right around and come back into Thailand and receive another 90 day stamp. Now that the land borders are closed, how would I obtain another 90 day stamp? Would I go to the local immigration office? Are the land borders going to open in November?
Benjamin ******
@Richard ******
>Now that the land borders are closed, how would I obtain another 90 day stamp?

You would have to leave Thailand and return. Sadly, the land borders around Thailand are closed, and I believe all ASEAN countries (except Thailand) are closed to tourists.

>Are the land borders going to open in November?

"Open" land borders require two countries to agree to open the borders. If Country A opens the border, but Country B closes the border, then the borders are closed.

Thailand can not tell the neighboring countries to open the borders.
Marty *********
@Richard ******
I would check to see if they are still offering a non-O multiple entry visa a this time.
Ian ********
Suppose TIT. No such thing as logic. I prefer to have a medical insurance anyway. (Personal choice). Don't know whats round the corner.
Marty *********
@Ian *******
I had a qualified Thai insurance policy before they made it a visa requirement for the OA for that reason. I believe it is a good thing to have health insurance. I am just not sold on the concept of tying it to my visa extensions.
Darren ********
@Ian *******
I have anyway but I don’t know why they still have an OA
Marty *********
@Darren *******
The non-O visa is only a 90 day visa. It seemed logical to me, if I was retiring to Thailand, to get a 1 year multiple entry visa. It was easy since I didn’t need money in a Thai bank account. The documentation was substantial but straightforward. The process to enter Thailand as a tourist, get a non-O, and then get a 1 year extension seemed much more complicated. Why not sell an OA visa along with all the other visas sold from Thai consulates around the world?

At that time there was no health insurance requirement and there was no advantage to a non-visa for a retiree.
Marty *********
@Darren *******
I came on an OA in 2017. The process to get it was fairly easy and it has some nice features during the first two years but with the recent health insurance requirement it has lost its luster for many people.
Walter *******
@Marty ********
Same here.
Benjamin ******
@Darren *******
>Is there an advantage with an OA ?

Yes!

1. It's a multiple entry visa. This means you can enter and leave Thailand whenever you want, WITHOUT having to get a re-entry permit.

2. Assuming the length of your health insurance, you are stamped in on each entry for one year.

3. Your money is kept in your foreign bank account
Alan ********
@Benjamin *****
may I ask a clarification; are you saying that if you have a non O-A 1 year visa, you can exit and return to Thailand as many times as you want without having had to purchase a multiple re-entry permit?

Could I also just observe that there are certain exceptions where a person with O-A visa does not require health insurance, for example, if the original stay in Thailand was based on a Business visa.
Benjamin ******
@Alan *******
>are you saying that if you have a non O-A 1 year visa, you can exit and return to Thailand as many times as you want without having had to purchase a multiple re-entry permit?

That is correct, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE health insurance for the length of time.

>where a person with O-A visa does not require health insurance, for example, if the original stay in Thailand was based on a Business visa.

A Non-OA visa can only be acquired from the country of your passport. By getting this visa, your "business visa" (Non-B visa) should be automatically voided.
Alan ********
@Benjamin *****
thank you. I had a non-B many years ago, retired, and got non - OA here in Thailand. I have not been required to have health insurance.
Benjamin ******
@Alan *******
You could not have gotten a Non-OA visa INSIDE Thailand since they are only issued from the country of your passport.
James ********
@Benjamin *****
with the second year of the OA you do need to buy a reentry permit before departing Thailand.

That is true for each added year you are in Thailand under an OA extension of stay for one year. A reentry permit must be purchased before you depart Thailand.
Alan ********
@James *******
thanks for this clarification.
Darren ********
@Benjamin *****
Thank you

I never knew

But I never had a reason to leave here so I guess the non O was a good choice for me!
Benjamin ******
> non-o visa

The "O" stands for "other". Some of the reasons these visas can be issued INCLUDE (but not limiting to):

- Marriage to a Thai national

- Raising Half-Thai child

- Raising a foreign child

- Being a trailing spouse

- Being over 50

ALL Non-O visas allow entry for 90 days. MOST Non-O visas are sold as single entry, which means it can be used ONCE, and then a new Non-O visas must be acquired. NO health insurance is required for these visas. To stay beyond the 90 days, a one year extension of stay is acquired. [Note: I'm ignoring the Multiple Entry Non-O visas for simplicity].

>non-oa visa

A Non-OA visa is issued to people who are over 50 years old, who has 800K THB in a foreign bank account in local currency, or has a pension of at least 65K THB a month in foreign currency, and allows entry for one year. This is a multiple entry visa, and on each entry, the visa holder will be stamped in for a year, or for the length of the medical insurance. This visa requires medical insurance, which may be increasing soon to 3M THB. To stay longer then the (potential) two years, a one year extension of stay based on retirement must be acquired, ALONG with approved health insurance.

[In-country Non-O visa]

One type of visa that wasn't mentioned is an in-country Non-O visa. SOME immigration offices allow a person to purchase an in-country Non-O visa based on retirement, if they have more then a certain amount of time remaining on their existing "admitted to" stamp. This visa allows a person to stay in Thailand for 90 days. These in-country Non-O visas DO NOT require health insurance. To stay longer then 90 days, a one year extension of stay based on retirement must be acquired.

THE NON-OA VISA IS THE ONLY VISA THAT REQUIRES HEALTH INSURANCE

> In some countries 70 is a cutoff age to apply for a new insurance policy.

Insurance companies are private companies, and as such, can decide the people who they are willing to insure. Contact the insurance companies that are part of the Non-OA visa scheme. See Marty's comment for the links to the approved insurance companies.
Benjamin ******
Ian Hornby It can be any income, pensions come in different types world wide.
Walter *******
@Benjamin *****
Do you know if immigration in Bangkok allows purchasing a Non-O based on retirement (60+ and money in the bank in Thailand, but not officially retired...)?
Walter *******
@Benjamin *****
But I think I blurred the purpose of my question by adding that info on my personal situation. More in general: do you know if immigration in Bangkok allows purchasing a Non-O based on retirement?
Benjamin ******
@Walter ******
Yes they do! You need AT LEAST 14 days remaining on your existing "admitted to" stamp though.
Walter *******
Having an montly income based on retirement.
Benjamin ******
@Walter ******
>(60+ and money in the bank in Thailand, but not officially retired...)

What does "officially retired" mean?
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