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Can I enter Thailand on a visa exemption and start the retirement visa process?

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Is it possible to enter Thailand on a VOA and then start the retirement visa process? (not possible to get E-Visa or Non-O before entering Thailand). US retirement age couple.
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It is not possible for U.S. citizens to enter Thailand on a Visa on Arrival (VOA); instead, they can enter on a 30-day visa exempt entry. While entering on a visa exempt entry allows you to start the retirement visa process, there are challenges related to opening a Thai bank account, which is necessary for converting to a Non-O retirement visa. Many recommend that it's easier to apply for a 60-day tourist visa beforehand, but if you must enter with a visa exempt entry, you will need to manage your time carefully to complete all necessary steps for the retirement visa.
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Kool *******
Kool *******
What is stopping you from applying for the type O visa based on retirement in the US? Lots of people do it, why can't you?
David ***
David ***
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@Kool ******
I’m not in the US, so applying from home is no longer an option.

I’m in Bali and the Royal Consulate here cannot do it.
Kool *******
Kool *******
@David **
then apply for a tourist visa. That will give you enough time to get everything in order once you get here. Once you get the required bank account, and the minimum of bt800,000 transferred into it, then you can apply for the initial 90 day extension that you get first. When you've got about 30 days left on that stamp you can apply for your one year extension. It is the easiest visa extension to get once you get your Thai bank account in your name only, and transfer in the bt800,000+
David ***
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@Kool ******
a tourist visa as I understand it can only be issued online in your country or in person at a Thai Embassy where I’m at.

Am I right?
Indo ******************
Indo ******************
You can apply for Retirement Visa while you are in Thailand on tourist visa or Visa Exemption. If you are in Pattaya, we can help you to get it done. Please feel free to contact
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
David V . . I would apply for a 60 days tourist visa, as with an initial 60 days stay permit, you have enough time to get all ducks in a row: use the agent for opening a bank account, transferring 800.000+ THB from abroad to the account, look for a rental and make a minimum 3 months, better 6 months rental contract as this is needed for the "change". With a 30-days visa-exempt entry, the time will run out on you
David ***
David ***
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@Nongnuch *******
thank you. Yes the problem is we are in Bali so we’re not eligible for E-Visa, and going to Jarkata embassy for 60 day visa is not possible.

So we’re gonna use the visa exempt plus extension to kick start the Retirement Visa process 👍🙏
Nongnuch ********
Nongnuch ********
David V . . . As a U.S. citizen, you don’t get anything like a VOA when you enter Thailand without a visa. Citizens of several countries can buy the VOA at the Airport for 2000.- THB, and will get stamped in for 15 days which are not extendable

This is not what you are looking for

All you get is a stamp that allows you 30 days “admitted stay”

You can buy a 30-days extension on top of these for 1900.- THB on Immigration only once. Before the 60 days expire you must leave Thailand. However, with a visa-exempt entry, you normally can't open a bank account in order to start the "change of visa type" process needed, from the exempt entry to a 90-days Non-Imm-O retirement visa". You will need the help of an agent, and you need to do it quickly because the clock will start to run, and you need 15 days stay permit left on your stamp in order to apply for the "change"

NOTE: your airline might ask you for a proof of onward travel out of Thailand within these 30 days , or they won’t let you board the flight
Troy ******
Troy ******
Yes I just did it in August. You will have to get a one month extension 1900 baht and change visa type 2000 baht. First if you are in Hua Hin You will need a lease to do anything. Once you have a lease get a letter from immigration to open a bank account.Once you have 800 000 transfered you can apply to change visa type
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
You won't enter Thailand with Visa on Arrival, which is where you apply for and pay for a visa at the airport and get 15 days. US Citizens do not qualify for this.

You can get visa exempt. This is not a visa, it is a free entry stamp for 30 days.

You can convert from visa exempt to non-O retirement but it's basically impossible to open a Thai bank account if you enter with visa exempt, and you need the bank account to convert to the non-O. This means you'll need to find an agent to help you open a bank account.
Pui *****
Pui *****
Americans don't qualify for visa on arrival, which is a distinct entry scheme required for under 20 nationalities where they must pay 2000 THB upon arrival for a 15 day non-extendable visa. Americans enter via a free 30 day visa exempt entry where your passport is stamped without granting any visa.
Max *************
Max *************
If you mean arriving on a 30 days visa exempt, then the answer is yes. But,it's smarter to apply for a 60 days tourist visa back home. The reason is the Thai bank account you need for the process.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Max ************
The requirements for opening a bank account is normally a long stay visa. Visa exemptions or tourist visa makes no difference. You’ll probably need an agent anyway.
Max *************
Max *************
Jan Kenneth Nesland I mentioned the tourist visa to have more time for the bank account. It's totally possible to open a bank account on a tourist visa, especially in Pattaya or Jomtien. No need for an agent.
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Max ************
What is a long stay visa then, Non O-A or Non O-X? All Non immigrant visas are long stay visa, also the 90 days Non O visa and extension of stay (which not is a visa).
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Max ************
I’ve had two accounts in Bangkok Bank for 8 years. And do you mean the Bangkok Bank in Soi 5 Jomtien? If so, these are their requirements. And good luck with getting a residence certificate just when you show up.
Max *************
Max *************
Graham Seal Not if you pick the correct bank in correct location. In this case Pattaya/Jomtien. I know exactly how it works in my Bangkok Bank branch in Jomtien. And a 90 days Non-immigrant O Visa isn't a Long Stay visa.
Aake **********
Aake **********
@Graham *****
trye then
Max *************
Max *************
@Aake *********
What is impossible?
Graham ******
Graham ******
@Aake *********
not impossible just difficult without a long stay visa
Max *************
Max *************
@Jan *****************
Then you dont know anything about Bangkok Bank. That's the most foreigner friendly bank in Thailand, especially the Jomtien Second Rd branch. Never compare a bank like Krungthai with BB. I've had bank accounts in 3 provinces. My first one was in Kanchanaburi in 1990, second in Khon Kaen a few years later and the last three, one in Kasikorn Bank in Jomtien and 2 accounts at Bangkok Bank in Jomtien.
Aake **********
Aake **********
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
@Max ************
Bank account is opened in 30 min if they allow you. And it’s not easy to open a bank account even in Pattaya without a long stay visa without an agent. I’ve had an account in Krungthai Bank for 10 years and in Pattaya they didn’t even let me open a second savings account within the same bank without a long stay visa.

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