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What are the best options for switching from a Non-Immigrant OA to a Non-O (Retirement) Visa in Thailand?
Non-Immigrant OA VisaNon-Immigrant O VisaVisa Application ProcessThai ImmigrationExpat Visa RequirementsRetirement Visa in ThailandVisa Extension ProceduresLeaving Thailand for Visa ProcessingVisa ConversionAirbnb and TM 30 Requirements
Feb 4, 2026
3 months ago
Jump****
ORIGINAL POSTERFirst, I wanted to thank all the contributors over the last few months to my various questions. They’ve made my entry on the non-immigrant OA very smooth, and I’ve think it was largely due to you. So many thanks! Now onto the next challenge😅.
So, as stated, I’m on the non-immigrant OA, but after learning what I have on these boards, I’d like to switch to the Non O (retirement) rather then doing extension of stay at my one year. I’m aware I can get that free second year but this post isn’t about that.
When I was at immigration last week, they told me not to use an agent to switch from OA to O without leaving the country. I don’t know if they are cracking down on this, but she told me it isn’t legitimate from their point of view. She said that I could pop over to a neighboring country and then re-enter on either a non-immigrant O (90 day), or a tourist visa and then convert it when I’m back in the country. So my questions are related to these two methods. Based on what she told me, I should leave the country just before my visa expires, and then I’m able to start the process of one of these other two methods. 
Is the process easier one way or another? I’m inclined to come in on a tourist visa and just do the non O application once I’m in country since I’ll already have my money seasoned in the bank due to the OA that I’m on now. So I’m wondering what the requirements are for that method?
Or, is there any benefit to coming in on the Non O (90 day) if I’m applying from Vietnam through evisa? If memory serves, one of the questions is asking for proof of the residence of the country you are in, and I don’t know what I would be able to provide if I was just visiting Vietnam for this purpose?. The agent told me I did not have to return to the US, so would it even be possible from a neighboring country to apply for the non O, given that they require some sort of residential proof from when I’m there?
Any input on either of these two methods would be helpful? And yes, I’m looking to do this on my own since I’m learning a ton by doing all of these various things without an agent. Thanks
So, as stated, I’m on the non-immigrant OA, but after learning what I have on these boards, I’d like to switch to the Non O (retirement) rather then doing extension of stay at my one year. I’m aware I can get that free second year but this post isn’t about that.
When I was at immigration last week, they told me not to use an agent to switch from OA to O without leaving the country. I don’t know if they are cracking down on this, but she told me it isn’t legitimate from their point of view. She said that I could pop over to a neighboring country and then re-enter on either a non-immigrant O (90 day), or a tourist visa and then convert it when I’m back in the country. So my questions are related to these two methods. Based on what she told me, I should leave the country just before my visa expires, and then I’m able to start the process of one of these other two methods. 
Is the process easier one way or another? I’m inclined to come in on a tourist visa and just do the non O application once I’m in country since I’ll already have my money seasoned in the bank due to the OA that I’m on now. So I’m wondering what the requirements are for that method?
Or, is there any benefit to coming in on the Non O (90 day) if I’m applying from Vietnam through evisa? If memory serves, one of the questions is asking for proof of the residence of the country you are in, and I don’t know what I would be able to provide if I was just visiting Vietnam for this purpose?. The agent told me I did not have to return to the US, so would it even be possible from a neighboring country to apply for the non O, given that they require some sort of residential proof from when I’m there?
Any input on either of these two methods would be helpful? And yes, I’m looking to do this on my own since I’m learning a ton by doing all of these various things without an agent. Thanks
TLDR : Answer Summary
The discussion revolves around an expat seeking to switch from a Non-Immigrant OA visa to a Non-Immigrant O visa. Contributors suggest two main paths: leaving Thailand to apply for the Non-O visa from a neighboring country, or attempting to convert to the Non-O visa from within Thailand. Several members highlight the importance of proper documentation, including proof of residence for visa applications, and emphasize the need to stay updated on immigration office requirements. Key considerations include whether an Airbnb stay (TM 30) is sufficient for the residency proof required for the extension of stay.
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John **********
So you've updated the post with regards using 12 calendar months of transfers for your 1st extension of the new Non-O visa you plan to get? The first thing to do is ask your immigration office if they will allow this as some expect you to use the 800k baht method for the 1st extension.
You can't apply for the 90 day Non-O visa inside Thailand as that requires you have 800k baht in your bank account, many immigration offices require it comes from overseas, and there are a few offices that can't do it at all. So you would need to leave Thailand just before your current Non-OA reaches its valid until date, once it has passed that date go to the evisa website and apply for a Non-O visa using the consulate that serves your current location and wait until it is issued before returning to Thailand. Its important you keep up the 65k baht overseas transfers all the while so you can show there are a full 12 months of transfers immediately prior to applying for the extension of stay
You can't apply for the 90 day Non-O visa inside Thailand as that requires you have 800k baht in your bank account, many immigration offices require it comes from overseas, and there are a few offices that can't do it at all. So you would need to leave Thailand just before your current Non-OA reaches its valid until date, once it has passed that date go to the evisa website and apply for a Non-O visa using the consulate that serves your current location and wait until it is issued before returning to Thailand. Its important you keep up the 65k baht overseas transfers all the while so you can show there are a full 12 months of transfers immediately prior to applying for the extension of stay
Jump****
ORIGINAL POSTERHey John, I think you may have misread my follow-up post. I’m not doing the 12 transfers over 12 months. I’m doing what you and others advised in earlier posts by having 800 K seasoned in my account by virtue of my current non-OA. It will be left there untouched while I border bounce to Vietnam just before my non-OA visa expires. Then I will apply for the non-O 90 day from Vietnam before re-entering Thailand.  Everything else you said is what I plan to do. I guess the only follow-up questions I have are regarding this Wise app issue where transferred money now goes through an intermediary bank before showing up in your account as a domestic transfer. Since it seems to be a fairly known issue with it not necessarily listing your 800 K as an overseas transfer, would a letter from the bank stating that the 800 K went through an intermediary bank at Kasikorn before hitting my account, but is indeed an overseas transfer be sufficient? And am I right to assume this only pertains to the initial non-O extension of stay, but after that at an annual renewals, the deposits to maintain the 800 K at the appropriate times would not be scrutinized for being overseas? (At least as far as the rules are today?)
Separately, my real updated question was — after I’ve obtained the Non-O 90 day, and I’m now in Thailand and going to get my extension of stay, will they need me to have an actual long-term 12-month lease? Or will a TM 30 from an Airbnb be sufficient for the residence requirement in order to get my extension? Basically, is there any way around signing a long-term lease for the extension of stay? That was my question. Thanks
Separately, my real updated question was — after I’ve obtained the Non-O 90 day, and I’m now in Thailand and going to get my extension of stay, will they need me to have an actual long-term 12-month lease? Or will a TM 30 from an Airbnb be sufficient for the residence requirement in order to get my extension? Basically, is there any way around signing a long-term lease for the extension of stay? That was my question. Thanks
John **********
Jumper25 for an extension of stay theres no requirement for the 800k baht to have come from overseas. It doesn't have to be a year long lease but it should allow you to stay for a few months in my view, just a few days in an Airbnb is unlikely to cut it
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Wannikea *********
Whatever method you choose, realize that your extension will be at the same time every year, that may or may not be convenient for you, so you might want to also use this metric in your planning.
Brandon ************
You don't have any desire to see Laos or Vietnam? It's a good excuse to make a trip and apply for the visa during this time.
The requirements aren't anything exceptional to convert inside of Thailand, but it will require at least 2 trips to your immigration office. That can be a whole day affair in some provinces.
If you want to try it, go to your immigration office about a month beforehand and ask them for their handout of requirements to convert from tourist to non-O visa. That'll be the most up to date and specific to your immigration office.
The requirements aren't anything exceptional to convert inside of Thailand, but it will require at least 2 trips to your immigration office. That can be a whole day affair in some provinces.
If you want to try it, go to your immigration office about a month beforehand and ask them for their handout of requirements to convert from tourist to non-O visa. That'll be the most up to date and specific to your immigration office.
Jump****
ORIGINAL POSTERI’ve been all over Vietnam and would love to take the opportunity to go there again or to Laos. Just trying to streamline the whole process as best as possible because after my visit immigration last week, I can see how a lack of preparation could easily make things more of a pain in the ass than it needs to be.🤣
Brandon ************
Jumper25 Even if you failed getting the non-O somewhere, you could convert when you came back. You'd have 60 days to get everything in order. Still better to do it outside though as a first choice.
Jump****
ORIGINAL POSTERThanks Brandon. Do you happen to know if I have to have an actual 12 month lease once I apply for the non O extension of stay? Will A TM 30 from an Airbnb suffice or are they really looking for some form of long-term lease?
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Andreas *********
allow me to correct your agent in one detail: you do not have to be resident in Vietnam, to be able to apply for the 90-days Non-Imm-O Retirement Visa. You only have to show a proof that you are physically in Vietnam (by a hotel receipt and the entry stamp, for example)
John **********
You have to leave Thailand anyway for a few days so for me it would be simpler to get the 90 day Non-O visa while outside Thailand. You can normally just show your entry stamp into the country as proof of location. On return you then just do the 12 month extension of stay when down to the last 30 days or so.
If you go the visa exempt route you have to visit immigration inside Thailand when you still have enough time on your entry stamp to apply for the 90 day Non-O visa, then when it's approved 2-3 weeks later go back to immigration to get it stamped in your passport. Then when down to the last 30 days or so return to immigration for an extension of stay
If you go the visa exempt route you have to visit immigration inside Thailand when you still have enough time on your entry stamp to apply for the 90 day Non-O visa, then when it's approved 2-3 weeks later go back to immigration to get it stamped in your passport. Then when down to the last 30 days or so return to immigration for an extension of stay
Jump****
ORIGINAL POSTERThat’s helpful. So assuming I could use the entry stamp and Vietnam as proof, then it sounds like the non O 90-day from out of the country would be less of a hassle.
Am I right in assuming that would require only one trip to immigration for the extension of stay as opposed to three trips if I were to come in on a tourist visa?
Also, do you happen to know if I would require a long-term lease when I apply for the extension of stay or would a TM 30 from an Airbnb suffice? Trying to avoid a long-term lease initially if I can. Thanks
Am I right in assuming that would require only one trip to immigration for the extension of stay as opposed to three trips if I were to come in on a tourist visa?
Also, do you happen to know if I would require a long-term lease when I apply for the extension of stay or would a TM 30 from an Airbnb suffice? Trying to avoid a long-term lease initially if I can. Thanks
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