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What are the best options for expats to meet Thailand's retirement visa financial requirements without tying up 800,000 baht?

Michael **********
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I need some advice. My pension is border line monthly income requirement depending on the exchange rate. I rather not tie up 800,000 baht if I can help it. What are my options and should I enter on 60 day entry visa and apply or outside of the country. I read that embassies will most likely reject if the income is borderline.
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The inquiry discusses the challenges of obtaining a retirement visa in Thailand with a pension that is borderline the required income threshold. Various responses suggest multiple options, including storing 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account, using an agent to facilitate the process, or applying for different visa types (like Non-O or Non-OA visas) potentially from outside Thailand. Participants share personal experiences, caution about the income verification process, and highlight the importance of financial planning to meet immigration regulations.
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Terry **********
Terry **********
Your UK state pension will stay at the level as the day you left the UK. No pay increases.

Better to retire in the Philippines, The UK state pension will have the annual pay increases.
Fiona *********
Fiona *********
Come in on a 60 day and get an agent to do it for you.
Simon *********
Simon *********
There are other options..
Jacknar *****
Jacknar *****
Good luck. Retiring in Thailand doesn't necessarily cost you THB 65k a month.
Jack *******
Jack *******
Is tied up a new way to say you don't have it?
Charles *********
Charles *********
for about 20k dollars which is less then 800,000 bahts you can get a 5 year bronze elite visa with unlimited reentry ech year and they help you with the 90 day residence reporting along with other perchs
Kim *********
Kim *********
Charles Briddes help with the tm47? 😂 it takes a couple of minutes.
Phil *******
Phil *******
Use a visa agent. Shop around for best price. Thai Visa Centre is recommended by many including myself
Kelvin ******
Kelvin ******
Step-by-step:

Enter Thailand (60-day visa is fine)

Open Thai bank account ASAP

Deposit:

Ideally 400k–800k depending on your comfort

Start transferring your pension monthly

After ~60 days → apply for:

Non-O retirement visa (inside Thailand)

Then extend to 1-year retirement
RelaxingKa**********
RelaxingKa**********
Just use an agent and they take care of the 800k requirement...
Brenton ******
Brenton ******
In my countries currency 800,000 baht would earn me conservatively around $2000 a year. I don't think because people want to find ways around the 800,000 that they are cheap charlies or fools who can't afford to live here.
John *********
John *********
You're basically telling us that you can't afford to retire here. Wait a couple of years and improve your retirement income.
Alan **********
Alan **********
You obviously can't afford to be there so stay home
ExcitingO*********
ExcitingO*********
You can apply for a non o from your home country with bank statements. Once you are in Thailand, open an account and transfer the required amount into it monthly. An agent is probably a good idea if your 1st try gets rejected
Jean-jacques *****
Jean-jacques *****
Reste chez toi, il y a assez de clochards français en Thaïlande
Erik ********
Erik ********
What is a border line income?
Larry *********
Larry *********
if he cant qualify for a retirement visa he can get the DTV. financial requirements are less.
Mark *********
Mark *********
If you can't afford it's not for you
Hubert *******
Hubert *******
+ de 55 ans , passer par agence
Todd **********
Todd **********
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Kenny ********
Kenny ********
Todd Sowatzke but it's so easy for them to work out that you didn't actually put the money in the bank?
Peter **********
Peter **********
Todd Sowatzke Boom boom boom boom.

But first …..,

Money down.
David ************
David ************
If you can’t afford to live in Thailand legally don’t bother…you can’t keep hiding forever…
Gerald ******
Gerald ******
Get a job😁
Gethin *******
Gethin *******
If you are not intending to use an agent then you can’t use the monthly method for the first year you have to use the 800,000 in the bank method.
Mark ********
Mark ********
Agent sorts it for you - just pay circa
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a year
Albert *********
Albert *********
International wire transfer of 65,000 baht each month. First gjo to a visa agent. They will put/ loan you 800,000 baht.
Marty ******
Marty ******
GO to an agent
Allen **********
Allen **********
My agent charges 12,000 for a one year visa. Pattaya.
Michael *******
Michael *******
You only need 400k if your married to a Thai or 40k a month coming in from another country. If your not married, you need 800k or 64k a month.
Tc *********
Tc *********
For peace of mind , put the 800k into a thai bank and forget about it if you are planning to stay in this amazing country . Coming up to 4 years for me and ive not thought once about that money . Then you can enjoy your pension without sweating . 👍enjoy
Kenny ********
Kenny ********
Tc Claridt Is it really peace of mind though when they might lock you out of your bank account? I just couldn't justify putting cash in a bank when it could have been in metals for the last 4 years.
Tc *********
Tc *********
Kenny Walker that the only account you have ? Of course not . If the thai bank freezes ur account its only a matter of popping in to see them . Rather a trip to a bank then having issues with immigration . Granted you make ur money work outside of a bank account ie metals but the issue is living in a different country, different rules . You want a stress free life- keep things simple.
Jörg ********
Jörg ********
You can combine your Pension with deposit. Example: you get 60.000 K THB a month, 720K a year. You need 80K at the Bank. To be safe in view to exchange Rates i would say, 200K at the Bank should be enough because you said your Pension is quite near to the border. Anyway you need always to watch the rate then and fill up the deposit in case the rate turns much more bad to your home currency
Vincent **********
Vincent **********
Ya même pas a réfléchir utilise un agent yen a 1 qui est français a Pattaya tu lui laisse ton passeport et lui il va s'occuper de tout jusqu'à t'ouvrir un compte ou t'obtenir le permis thaï, c'est lui qui placera les 800k dans ton compte et il reprends après et tu peux faire avec lui tous les ans sans te prendre la tête ..

Perso j'hésite a aller habiter là bas mais c'est ce que je ferai si je devais aller habiter en Thaïlande
Ian ***********
Ian ***********
Simple, stay at home and accept the reality that you can't afford it.
Ken ************
Ken ************
Ian Wilkinson who made you head honcho keep your opinions to yourself you entitled moron
Robert ********
Robert ********
talk to Thai visa center in BKK, very helpful
Charlie ********
Charlie ********
If you don’t want to tie up the income you can use an agent , who will effectively use his money then withdraw it. Fees vary, it’s not legal but many do it without a problem.

Another option is to apply for an O-A visa. This gives you 12 months but if you leave and return in the last week of this visa and extend your health insurance you will get an extra 12 months, thereby getting 24 months in Thailand with only 90 day reports to worry about. The financial requirement is that you have 800,000 baht equivalent in your home country bank before you apply or for three months before you apply 65,000 baht equivalent passes through your home country account.

The drawbacks are you need to get a police check at your expense and a health certificate confirming you do not have several specified conditions ( mainly STI’s or other infectious conditions) you also need mandatory health cover.

I am 60 and basic health insurance for 12 months was £200, I’ve just renewed that as I’m about to enter my second 12 months and it cost £240 to renew. I used a company recommended by the Thai e visa service.

Your first 12 months is multi entry and your second is not but if you intend to travel in the second 12 months you can buy re entry permits from immigration to protect your visa.

Hope some of that assists.
Fiona *******
Fiona *******
Charlie Ridley hi is that £240 a month for your health insurance?
Charlie ********
Charlie ********
Fiona Johns in it’s an annual premium, it’s the basic requirement for an OA visa
Charlie ********
Charlie ********
I believe I used Axa there was a link from the Thai e-visa site
Brian ********
Brian ********
Charlie Ridley Very interesting, what is the name of the insurance company please?
Brian ******
Brian ******
Surely you either meet the fresh hold or you don’t
John *********
John *********
Non - O Retirement Visa.

Do it at your home Royal Thai Embassy using their online Portal. Take your time to understand the protocols. If you meet them, great. If not, you’ll spend years looking over your shoulder in Thailand, and that’s just not living..

Remember it’s you, not some keyboard guru at Mum’s house is Surbiton who cops the consequences of getting this wrong. You do. My opinion, and it’s hard earned is that 800K in the bank is by far the simplest and most user friendly long term option.
Peter **********
Peter **********
John Kenealy Nothing wrong with Surbiton. Both Epsom and Sandown Park are on the doorstep.
Terry *********
Terry *********
If you want a one year visa which is based on retirement and you apply for that in your own country you will be given an O-A visa not an O visa. The main difference is that with an O-A visa you have to have medical insurance covering you for at least 3m baht per year. You will not get the visa if you do not have that medical insurance
Mark ***********
Mark ***********
speak to an agent - keep your money in your bank.
Steve *********
Steve *********
Mark Hempstead really where’s the difference.
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0 would be in a bank 🤷‍♂️
Mark ***********
Mark ***********
is that a trick question?
Nigel *********
Nigel *********
Use an agent, that’s what I done, because I’m the same as you, my super makes money for me, having 800,000 in a Thai bank account doesn’t make money. I have a couple of hundred thousand in the bank and then I draw an income from my super as well, and we live good like that
Steve ***********
Steve ***********
What country are you coming from ??? Tbh your profile looks like a bot. 🤖
Ray ********
Ray ********
Make up your short fall of your pension with a few thousand baht if you really need to keep your cash money in the Bank.
Michelle *********
Michelle *********
For all the people who say just get an agent. Not all places have agents who help with this. I am seeing that Chiang Mai no longer has agents that front the money.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
Michelle Prather Thai Visa Centre offers services in all of Thailand. You just send your passport to them and get it back with a visa/extension.
Michelle *********
Michelle *********
@Brandon ***********
I have never heard of this. Can I please have more info and where your office is located? I don’t know if I feel comfortable just sending my visa to a complete stranger.
Brandon ************
Brandon ************
Michelle Prather it's not my office. Their main office is in Bangkok
Doug *******
Doug *******
Ignore all the drivel about “if you can’t afford it then don’t come”…

The best combination is to obtain a 90-day non O visa BEFORE coming to Thailand, then open a bank account on your own right away. This will save you about 20,000 baht if you hire a good agent to do the bank magic later and also 12-month extension for you.
Vaughan *********
Vaughan *********
Doug Olson this sounds good info,do you have any info of how long you have to find a condo to rent and take the form from landlord to the embassy I was thinking of staying at a hotel till I sort out a condo, thanks.
Doug *******
Doug *******
Vaughan Stewart

Others can correct me or add info but if you arrive with a 90-day non O visa, rent a room someplace, get a Thai phone number AND documentation from the SIM provider that shows affiliation of the cell number with your passport, go to immigration with proof of address of your rented room (form TM30) and get a certificate of residence then opening a bank account “should be” fairly easy. If you prefer not to have 800,000 Baht of your own deposited in a Thai bank that’s where a good agency comes in.
Marty *******
Marty *******
Definitely use an agent, I didn't and the stress and hassle was really bad. I have the residence visa now, all staff at Nakhon Phanom immigration were very helpful but I still feel unsettled
Andrew ***********
Andrew ***********
Just use a decent agent and then all your issues will be a distant memory.
Coaches *********
Coaches *********
Use an agent and you don't even need a bank account
Kim *********
Kim *********
Coaches Charlie ohh that's very strange since that's a requirement. And who says the corrupt officer will not get busted one day so if he used an agent then he's in deep sh.. and will have leave.
Christopher **************
Christopher **************
Kim Nielsen if you go through a agent it is all legal so I do not know why you think it is not . Most probably listening to the so called know alls that have never done it ,
Coaches *********
Coaches *********
We are seeing too many future predictions and " ifs"

This is a sign of dangers

A sign that one side is admitting it doesn't have a clue what they are talking about and there comments do not, even remotely match reality.

I don't need possible future scenarios or " ifs" or someone's opinion.

I like facts. Facts which have evidence. It's very dishonest and misleading to assert a belief/ opinion as fact

Fact 1 - many people don't not have what we were just told " everyone has to have"

Fact 2

We are in a place where virtually any issues ( these visa issues are considered " small matters ) can be solved by this amazing piece of paper $.
Atrustwor*********
Atrustwor*********
Christopher Hetherington If the agent deposits the 800k to help with funds for the visa then immediately withdraws it by passing the financial requirements is that illegal or legal
Adam ******
Adam ******
Vietnam.
จอน ********
จอน ********
Agent
Ken ************
Ken ************
Go see an agent best easiest option
Arthur ************
Arthur ************
Ken Hutchinson $440 to renew my retirement visa, they.picked up at my condo and returned in days
Jan ******************
Jan ******************
The requirement for a Non O is documented income for the last three months equivalent to at least 65,000 baht per month. You should verify with the embassy handling your application whether they accept a combination of income and funds, as this varies between foreign missions.

If your income is borderline and cannot be reliably documented through an affidavit letter from your embassy, you will in practice need to meet the financial requirement by maintaining 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account, at least for the first year. Some immigration offices may accept a combination of income and a lump sum from the second year, but this is subject to local practice and discretion.
Aaron ******
Aaron ******
Sorry. If you even have issue with the 800k then why think of retirement in Thailand. It shows that you are not even ready for the word retirement
Justin **********
Justin **********
Aaron Kang Depositing 800,000 baht with no interest means you're losing the chance to make 80,000 baht per year plus in growth (more if you invest in crypto). That's like the same as more than a months worth of expenses.

Not everyone is cash rich. Many have assets like houses which they receive rental income from, stock portfolios, large pensions, gold etc etc that can keep them more than comfortable.

So, some people prefer depositing the 800k, and some prefer to use their pensions as income.

Also remember, if you're married to another foreigner who's retired (and there are many), then that 800k now doubles to 1.6million baht, of which the interest and growth could very easily cover 2 (and possibly 3) months worth of expenses each year.

Asking if there are other options is legit, even if I share your opinion that it's nice to have an emergency fund (which you still can't touch on a retirement visa).

Rules are rules at the end of the day, and I do agree it's best to stay above board rather than employ an agent for a work around if at all possible
Graham ******
Graham ******
Justin Hollebon but the 800k is not tied up for life if planned properly, just over 5 months
Justin **********
Justin **********
Graham Seal For the retirement visa I believe the rule is you need to keep the full amount for 6 months, and keep at least 400,000 baht for the other 6 months (might be a little wrong on the specifics). And you need to do that each year.

Unlike, say the marriage visa where it's only 400,000 baht for 2-3 months
Daniel **********
Daniel **********
Aaron Kang I agree with you, if you can’t afford to put away 800K baht and not touch it, you should be working.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
Aaron he didn't say he doesn't have the money, he said he'd rather not tie it up in Thailand (making zero interest). That makes perfect sense if you don't have to.
Graham ******
Graham ******
Ivan McAvinchey but you don't have to tie up 800k for more than just over 5 months if planned properly
Asso ******
Asso ******
Graham Seal And then 5 months in the following year, and a year after that and a year after that and....
Aaron ******
Aaron ******
Ivan McAvinchey putting aside the money to a foreigner like myself is like a tradeoff for staying in Thailand coming from another country. I don’t even think of that money when I put aside that money while living in Thailand. I treat it as money used to stay there. We don’t think that much. As I said, if anyone is even bothered by that 800k or think about it then retirement may not even be ready for that anyone
Stuart ***********
Stuart ***********
Another option is to get a non-OA visa instead, as you don't need to put 800,000 in a Thai bank.
Graham ******
Graham ******
Stuart Chiverton but for the initial visa the financial requirement is the same as the Non-O
Stuart ***********
Stuart ***********
Graham Seal he says he "would rather not tie up 800,000 baht" not that he doesn't have it, so it seems he just doesn't want to transfer it to Thailand. If he applies for a non-OA, I thought he could keep his money in his home account. Is that not correct Graham? You are more knowledgeable about these things than me, so I will remove my comment if I got it wrong.
Brad *********
Brad *********
Stuart Chiverton but then you're stuck. You can squeeze at most 2 years out of that visa, and that's with a trip out of the country at the 1 year mark. Then you either need to get 1 year extensions of stay, same as Non-O but with insurance requirement, or you have to go back to your home country and apply for another Non-OA. Non-OA is way harder to apply for than a Non-O, way more documentation required.
Doug ********
Doug ********
Stuart Chivertonbut then need expensive medical insurance from approved companies so again another option but not without added expense
Paul *******
Paul *******
Stuart Chiverton The the insurance can become a problem.
Simon **********
Simon **********
Paul Jones i got basic insurance for
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baht. I then renewed it and got and extension of stay for 12 months. Next I will do the non-o
Simon **********
Simon **********
Doug Powell bangkok hospital insurance
Doug ********
Doug ********
Simon Passariswhere did you get the insurance please
Stuart ***********
Stuart ***********
Paul Jones yes, but it's still an option for someone who doesn't want to put 800k in a Thai bank, and doesn't want to break the law here. I believe the 800,000 baht rule was introduced because people were coming to live in Thailand, having a medical emergency with no funds and no insurance. Up to him if he prefers to pay someone to break the law instead, but it's an option.
Matthew *********
Matthew *********
Stuart Chiverton so what about all the immigration officers that love agencies method ans preferred this method. Get off your high horse. Your in Thailand.
Tomas *******
Tomas *******
Be aware that „borrowing” the amount from an agent has a cost
Ray **************
Ray **************
Tomas Arndt what's the cost
Greg *************
Greg *************
Tomas Arndt So I can borrow money from you for free?
Tomas *******
Tomas *******
Greg Dake Dakin I am not an agent
John **********
John **********
You should get the Non-O visa before you travel to Thailand. Unless your embassy provides an income certificate you will need to have 800k baht in a Thai bank account for your 1st extension at least and if your monthly income is marginal it's probably best to stick to that method. For the 2nd year extension you can show 12 months of transfers from overseas of a minimum of 65k baht each month immediately prior to applying for the extension, but if even 1 month slips below the minimum you won't get the extension
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
@Jo**
he could probably just top up the pension if it falls below, just make sure he transfers 65,000 each month, no? With a combination of home country savings and not transferring the excess in the months it is above 65k.
Bruno *********
Bruno *********
Ivan McAvinchey il va vite épuiser sa réserve d'argent comme beaucoup.

Thailande, n'est pas un pays pour personnes aux faible revenus, malgres les apparences.

Retour au pays et fortement déçu.
Ivan ************
Ivan ************
Bruno from the sounds of it he has the 800k, he just doesn't want to move it into Thailand earning no interest. He also says his pension is "borderline" meaning that it is already about at the required amount, but could be a few thousand under some months due to the exchange rate. If it's this close, he'll probably have as many months it is over as under and can just top up the few thousand by holding back the months it is higher.

But it depends on the circumstance, he could have millions of dollars or euro for all we know and just not have the pension income.

Thailand is still very, very inexpensive. I know it varies depending on exactly where in Thailand you live but in Chiang Mai my rent has not increased in 10 years. It almost tripled in my home country (Ireland) over the last decade. Which was nice as a landlord, less nice if I had to live there. So it's not like it's any better in a Western country. Thailand has far lower inflation than any Western country.
John **********
John **********
@Ivan ***********
yes he can do that
Max **********
Max **********
If you can’t afford 800,000 best to stay a tourist until you can.🙏
Ralph *******
Ralph *******
Max Marriott You can’t stay a tourist. They will eventually insist that you get a long term visa.
Neil ********
Neil ********
Ralph Tyson he probably meant remain a tourist and visit when you can.
David ******
David ******
Neil Taylor It's a lot more expensive to live in Australia. He'd struggle to save enough and also live on $500 a week in Australia.
Enthusiastic*************
Enthusiastic*************
Use a agent and all done
Mark *********
Mark *********
Hire an agent
ConfidentR***********
ConfidentR***********
I would definitely recommend 400k minimum savings in a Thai bank and use your monthly pension to live on and will meet the requirements, having savings in a Thai bank is good for safety and medical emergencies, don't be a month by month cheap Charlie in Thailand because when something goes wrong your up the shitter
Michael **********
Michael **********
OP
ConfidentReindeer9537 I was planning to deposit 300,000 to compensate for the exchange rate.
ConfidentR***********
ConfidentR***********
Michael Phillips just leave what you deposit in the Thai bank it there as emergency funds if required will also help with your annual retirement visa just make sure you're sending across the correct amount so next year have full statements
Doug ********
Doug ********
ConfidentReindeer9537if he has 400,thousand he can be getting interest on that in his own country and IF he has an emergency send it over..how is being financially sensible being a cheap Charlie ?. Also for several months he needs 800k......not 400
ConfidentR***********
ConfidentR***********
Doug Powell his pension is border line, so having 400k in savings in Thailand he only needs to have another 400k transferred from his pension meet the financial requirements
Neil *********
Neil *********
ConfidentReindeer9537 how much pension in bart would I need if I have 400k
ConfidentR***********
ConfidentR***********
Neil Chaffey you need the remaining 400k in monthly deposits to Thai bank to make sure don't go under your looking around 40k a month
Cruise ******
Cruise ******
ConfidentReindeer9537 isn't it 800k? how do you drop it to 400k?
Matts *************
Matts *************
Cruise Chan you can combine part savings and part income to get a total of 800k per year

with 400k saved the income requirement drops to half
John **********
John **********
@Matts ************
not all immigration offices allow that
Ralph *******
Ralph *******
Cruise Chan By marrying a Thai!
Bob ************
Bob ************
Peter H Bates You do realize financially secure women have vaginas too?
Peter **********
Peter **********
Ralph Tyson So then who pays when the wife’s buffalo is sick?
Peter *********
Peter *********
ConfidentReindeer9537 good response
Steven *******
Steven *******
Come in on 60 day & get an Agent .. simple

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