I need some advice. My pension is border line monthly income requirement depending on the exchange rate. I rather not tie up 800,000 baht if I can help it. What are my options and should I enter on 60 day entry visa and apply or outside of the country. I read that embassies will most likely reject if the income is borderline.
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The inquiry discusses the challenges of obtaining a retirement visa in Thailand with a pension that is borderline the required income threshold. Various responses suggest multiple options, including storing 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account, using an agent to facilitate the process, or applying for different visa types (like Non-O or Non-OA visas) potentially from outside Thailand. Participants share personal experiences, caution about the income verification process, and highlight the importance of financial planning to meet immigration regulations.
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Your UK state pension will stay at the level as the day you left the UK. No pay increases.
Better to retire in the Philippines, The UK state pension will have the annual pay increases.
for about 20k dollars which is less then 800,000 bahts you can get a 5 year bronze elite visa with unlimited reentry ech year and they help you with the 90 day residence reporting along with other perchs
In my countries currency 800,000 baht would earn me conservatively around $2000 a year. I don't think because people want to find ways around the 800,000 that they are cheap charlies or fools who can't afford to live here.
You can apply for a non o from your home country with bank statements. Once you are in Thailand, open an account and transfer the required amount into it monthly. An agent is probably a good idea if your 1st try gets rejected
For peace of mind , put the 800k into a thai bank and forget about it if you are planning to stay in this amazing country . Coming up to 4 years for me and ive not thought once about that money . Then you can enjoy your pension without sweating . 👍enjoy
Tc Claridt Is it really peace of mind though when they might lock you out of your bank account? I just couldn't justify putting cash in a bank when it could have been in metals for the last 4 years.
Kenny Walker that the only account you have ? Of course not . If the thai bank freezes ur account its only a matter of popping in to see them . Rather a trip to a bank then having issues with immigration . Granted you make ur money work outside of a bank account ie metals but the issue is living in a different country, different rules . You want a stress free life- keep things simple.
You can combine your Pension with deposit. Example: you get 60.000 K THB a month, 720K a year. You need 80K at the Bank. To be safe in view to exchange Rates i would say, 200K at the Bank should be enough because you said your Pension is quite near to the border. Anyway you need always to watch the rate then and fill up the deposit in case the rate turns much more bad to your home currency
Ya même pas a réfléchir utilise un agent yen a 1 qui est français a Pattaya tu lui laisse ton passeport et lui il va s'occuper de tout jusqu'à t'ouvrir un compte ou t'obtenir le permis thaï, c'est lui qui placera les 800k dans ton compte et il reprends après et tu peux faire avec lui tous les ans sans te prendre la tête ..
Perso j'hésite a aller habiter là bas mais c'est ce que je ferai si je devais aller habiter en Thaïlande
If you don’t want to tie up the income you can use an agent , who will effectively use his money then withdraw it. Fees vary, it’s not legal but many do it without a problem.
Another option is to apply for an O-A visa. This gives you 12 months but if you leave and return in the last week of this visa and extend your health insurance you will get an extra 12 months, thereby getting 24 months in Thailand with only 90 day reports to worry about. The financial requirement is that you have 800,000 baht equivalent in your home country bank before you apply or for three months before you apply 65,000 baht equivalent passes through your home country account.
The drawbacks are you need to get a police check at your expense and a health certificate confirming you do not have several specified conditions ( mainly STI’s or other infectious conditions) you also need mandatory health cover.
I am 60 and basic health insurance for 12 months was £200, I’ve just renewed that as I’m about to enter my second 12 months and it cost £240 to renew. I used a company recommended by the Thai e visa service.
Your first 12 months is multi entry and your second is not but if you intend to travel in the second 12 months you can buy re entry permits from immigration to protect your visa.
Do it at your home Royal Thai Embassy using their online Portal. Take your time to understand the protocols. If you meet them, great. If not, you’ll spend years looking over your shoulder in Thailand, and that’s just not living..
Remember it’s you, not some keyboard guru at Mum’s house is Surbiton who cops the consequences of getting this wrong. You do. My opinion, and it’s hard earned is that 800K in the bank is by far the simplest and most user friendly long term option.
If you want a one year visa which is based on retirement and you apply for that in your own country you will be given an O-A visa not an O visa. The main difference is that with an O-A visa you have to have medical insurance covering you for at least 3m baht per year. You will not get the visa if you do not have that medical insurance
Use an agent, that’s what I done, because I’m the same as you, my super makes money for me, having 800,000 in a Thai bank account doesn’t make money. I have a couple of hundred thousand in the bank and then I draw an income from my super as well, and we live good like that
For all the people who say just get an agent. Not all places have agents who help with this. I am seeing that Chiang Mai no longer has agents that front the money.
I have never heard of this. Can I please have more info and where your office is located? I don’t know if I feel comfortable just sending my visa to a complete stranger.
Ignore all the drivel about “if you can’t afford it then don’t come”…
The best combination is to obtain a 90-day non O visa BEFORE coming to Thailand, then open a bank account on your own right away. This will save you about 20,000 baht if you hire a good agent to do the bank magic later and also 12-month extension for you.
Doug Olson this sounds good info,do you have any info of how long you have to find a condo to rent and take the form from landlord to the embassy I was thinking of staying at a hotel till I sort out a condo, thanks.
Others can correct me or add info but if you arrive with a 90-day non O visa, rent a room someplace, get a Thai phone number AND documentation from the SIM provider that shows affiliation of the cell number with your passport, go to immigration with proof of address of your rented room (form TM30) and get a certificate of residence then opening a bank account “should be” fairly easy. If you prefer not to have 800,000 Baht of your own deposited in a Thai bank that’s where a good agency comes in.
Definitely use an agent, I didn't and the stress and hassle was really bad. I have the residence visa now, all staff at Nakhon Phanom immigration were very helpful but I still feel unsettled
Coaches Charlie ohh that's very strange since that's a requirement. And who says the corrupt officer will not get busted one day so if he used an agent then he's in deep sh.. and will have leave.
Kim Nielsen if you go through a agent it is all legal so I do not know why you think it is not . Most probably listening to the so called know alls that have never done it ,
Christopher Hetherington If the agent deposits the 800k to help with funds for the visa then immediately withdraws it by passing the financial requirements is that illegal or legal
The requirement for a Non O is documented income for the last three months equivalent to at least 65,000 baht per month. You should verify with the embassy handling your application whether they accept a combination of income and funds, as this varies between foreign missions.
If your income is borderline and cannot be reliably documented through an affidavit letter from your embassy, you will in practice need to meet the financial requirement by maintaining 800,000 baht in a Thai bank account, at least for the first year. Some immigration offices may accept a combination of income and a lump sum from the second year, but this is subject to local practice and discretion.
Aaron Kang Depositing 800,000 baht with no interest means you're losing the chance to make 80,000 baht per year plus in growth (more if you invest in crypto). That's like the same as more than a months worth of expenses.
Not everyone is cash rich. Many have assets like houses which they receive rental income from, stock portfolios, large pensions, gold etc etc that can keep them more than comfortable.
So, some people prefer depositing the 800k, and some prefer to use their pensions as income.
Also remember, if you're married to another foreigner who's retired (and there are many), then that 800k now doubles to 1.6million baht, of which the interest and growth could very easily cover 2 (and possibly 3) months worth of expenses each year.
Asking if there are other options is legit, even if I share your opinion that it's nice to have an emergency fund (which you still can't touch on a retirement visa).
Rules are rules at the end of the day, and I do agree it's best to stay above board rather than employ an agent for a work around if at all possible
Graham Seal For the retirement visa I believe the rule is you need to keep the full amount for 6 months, and keep at least 400,000 baht for the other 6 months (might be a little wrong on the specifics). And you need to do that each year.
Unlike, say the marriage visa where it's only 400,000 baht for 2-3 months
Aaron he didn't say he doesn't have the money, he said he'd rather not tie it up in Thailand (making zero interest). That makes perfect sense if you don't have to.
Ivan McAvinchey putting aside the money to a foreigner like myself is like a tradeoff for staying in Thailand coming from another country. I don’t even think of that money when I put aside that money while living in Thailand. I treat it as money used to stay there. We don’t think that much. As I said, if anyone is even bothered by that 800k or think about it then retirement may not even be ready for that anyone
Graham Seal he says he "would rather not tie up 800,000 baht" not that he doesn't have it, so it seems he just doesn't want to transfer it to Thailand. If he applies for a non-OA, I thought he could keep his money in his home account. Is that not correct Graham? You are more knowledgeable about these things than me, so I will remove my comment if I got it wrong.
Stuart Chiverton but then you're stuck. You can squeeze at most 2 years out of that visa, and that's with a trip out of the country at the 1 year mark. Then you either need to get 1 year extensions of stay, same as Non-O but with insurance requirement, or you have to go back to your home country and apply for another Non-OA. Non-OA is way harder to apply for than a Non-O, way more documentation required.
Paul Jones yes, but it's still an option for someone who doesn't want to put 800k in a Thai bank, and doesn't want to break the law here. I believe the 800,000 baht rule was introduced because people were coming to live in Thailand, having a medical emergency with no funds and no insurance. Up to him if he prefers to pay someone to break the law instead, but it's an option.
Stuart Chiverton so what about all the immigration officers that love agencies method ans preferred this method. Get off your high horse. Your in Thailand.
You should get the Non-O visa before you travel to Thailand. Unless your embassy provides an income certificate you will need to have 800k baht in a Thai bank account for your 1st extension at least and if your monthly income is marginal it's probably best to stick to that method. For the 2nd year extension you can show 12 months of transfers from overseas of a minimum of 65k baht each month immediately prior to applying for the extension, but if even 1 month slips below the minimum you won't get the extension
he could probably just top up the pension if it falls below, just make sure he transfers 65,000 each month, no? With a combination of home country savings and not transferring the excess in the months it is above 65k.
Bruno from the sounds of it he has the 800k, he just doesn't want to move it into Thailand earning no interest. He also says his pension is "borderline" meaning that it is already about at the required amount, but could be a few thousand under some months due to the exchange rate. If it's this close, he'll probably have as many months it is over as under and can just top up the few thousand by holding back the months it is higher.
But it depends on the circumstance, he could have millions of dollars or euro for all we know and just not have the pension income.
Thailand is still very, very inexpensive. I know it varies depending on exactly where in Thailand you live but in Chiang Mai my rent has not increased in 10 years. It almost tripled in my home country (Ireland) over the last decade. Which was nice as a landlord, less nice if I had to live there. So it's not like it's any better in a Western country. Thailand has far lower inflation than any Western country.
I would definitely recommend 400k minimum savings in a Thai bank and use your monthly pension to live on and will meet the requirements, having savings in a Thai bank is good for safety and medical emergencies, don't be a month by month cheap Charlie in Thailand because when something goes wrong your up the shitter
Michael Phillips just leave what you deposit in the Thai bank it there as emergency funds if required will also help with your annual retirement visa just make sure you're sending across the correct amount so next year have full statements
ConfidentReindeer9537if he has 400,thousand he can be getting interest on that in his own country and IF he has an emergency send it over..how is being financially sensible being a cheap Charlie ?. Also for several months he needs 800k......not 400
Doug Powell his pension is border line, so having 400k in savings in Thailand he only needs to have another 400k transferred from his pension meet the financial requirements